Re: Auditing Quality Systems

From: Remi Michalowski (remi.michalowski@cpp.co.id)
Date: Wed Aug 15 2007 - 00:24:04 PDT

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    Hello,

    Label Rouge is a french quality label, rewarding high quality material. We could compare it to the Grade A seafood program from US DoC NMFS.

    Label Rouge is a governmental label (Ministry of Agriculture) concerning unprocessed foodstuffs and agricultural products. Nowadays, you find mainly meat (poultry, pork, beef) certified Label Rouge on the french shelves.
    At the begining, it has been set-up to promote the national agriculture.

    Accredited CB can certify organizations (mainly groups of producers) if they meet the strict quality characteristics specific to the material covered by the Label: details of production, processing and monitoring process, sensory testing and profiles.

    Hope it is clear.

    Kind regards,

    Dipl. Ing. Rémi Michalowski
    Senior Manager QA Food Processing
    PT. Centralpertiwi Bahari - Lampung, Indonesia
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    On Aug 15, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Chingling R. Tanco wrote:

    Hi Remi,
    What about the “Label Rouge” – what does it take to do this? I know one plant in Madagascar that has the label rouge – is this a big deal?
    Chingling

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    From: Remi Michalowski [mailto:remi.michalowski@cpp.co.id]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:16 AM
    To: Chingling Tanco
    Cc: seafood@ucdavis.edu<mailto:seafood@ucdavis.edu>
    Subject: Re: Auditing Quality Systems

    ISO 22000 is a management system, international standard to support your FSMS. It pushes companies to provide results e.g. the main issue for retailers is that the company can select and implement the control measures they want, once they manage the risks identified and that the system meets the targets established.

    Private standards such BRC and IFS, all is means e.g. investments. BUT, more and more nowadays, this "prerequisite" to be able to sold to retailers becomes less "trusted" by the retailers: they have a list of "approved" CB and some have their own requirements much more demanding !!

    In conclusion, ISO 22000 very good for developing countries and to meet legal requirements but demanding on results and also on money (audit, competence). BRC very demanding on means and facilities but less trusted by the UK retailers.

    Please note that IFS is a bit "better" than BRC as it integrates legal requirements such as traceability, GMO and allergens. but the standard is still a private one and only valuable if you process retailers' branded products.

    Rgds,

    Dipl. Ing. Rémi Michalowski
    Senior Manager QA Food Processing
    PT. Centralpertiwi Bahari - Lampung, Indonesia
    HP + 62 815 4040 484
    Yahoo Messenger ID: michalowski_rmi@yahoo.fr<mailto:michalowski_rmi@yahoo.fr>
    Skype ID: remi_michalowski

    CPB - Integrated Shrimp Farming. "From Pond to Plate"
    A CPP Company. Part of Charoen Pokphand Group

    On Aug 11, 2007, at 10:30 PM, Chingling Tanco wrote:

    I agree it's getting crazy - in Europe for example - the UK wants the BRC
    (British Retail Consortium) standard while France and Germany want the IFS
    International Food Standard system and they are almost the same but called
    different names. Suggestion for those plants going for BRC certification -
    ask for IFS certification to be done at the same time as this shouldn't cost
    you much more.

    Chingling Tanco
    Mida Trade
    Manila, Philippines

    From: Vanessa Broadnax <vanessa@baldorfood.com<mailto:vanessa@baldorfood.com>>
    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:12:01 -0400
    To: <criticalcontrolpoints@yahoo.com<mailto:criticalcontrolpoints@yahoo.com>>, <seafood@ucdavis.edu<mailto:seafood@ucdavis.edu>>
    Conversation: Auditing Quality Systems
    Subject: Re: Auditing Quality Systems

    Sometimes more is good. We need to keep food safety in the forefront. We can
    not afford not to look at different points of view. Different views keeps us
    on our toes. We must manage our time and efforts wisely.

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    Sent: Thu Aug 09 19:57:07 2007
    Subject: Auditing Quality Systems

    I seem to spend a lot of time being accredited to one quality system or
    another and then meeting with Processors who complain that there are so many
    systems that they have to become documenters for each system with differing
    needs.

    Any comments on relative merits of the differing systems ?
    (without especially trashing systems by name)

    My two cents, for what it is worth, is that ISO 22000 will probably replace
    everything else eventually. ( it has HACCP components so is on-topic)

    Other views anyone?

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