Re: Auditing Quality Systems

From: Le Xuan Nhat (xuannhat@vasep.com.vn)
Date: Tue Aug 14 2007 - 20:30:15 PDT

  • Next message: Chingling R. Tanco: "RE: Auditing Quality Systems"

    Hello every body
    I want to know detials information Standard ISO 22000, Please give me this information.
    thanks
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      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Remi Michalowski
      To: Cc:
      Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:16 AM
      Subject: Re: Auditing Quality Systems

      ISO 22000 is a management system, international standard to support your FSMS. It pushes companies to provide results e.g. the main issue for retailers is that the company can select and implement the control measures they want, once they manage the risks identified and that the system meets the targets established.

      Private standards such BRC and IFS, all is means e.g. investments. BUT, more and more nowadays, this "prerequisite" to be able to sold to retailers becomes less "trusted" by the retailers: they have a list of "approved" CB and some have their own requirements much more demanding !!

      In conclusion, ISO 22000 very good for developing countries and to meet legal requirements but demanding on results and also on money (audit, competence). BRC very demanding on means and facilities but less trusted by the UK retailers.

      Please note that IFS is a bit "better" than BRC as it integrates legal requirements such as traceability, GMO and allergens. but the standard is still a private one and only valuable if you process retailers' branded products.

      Rgds,

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      On Aug 11, 2007, at 10:30 PM, Chingling Tanco wrote:

        I agree it's getting crazy - in Europe for example - the UK wants the BRC
        (British Retail Consortium) standard while France and Germany want the IFS
        International Food Standard system and they are almost the same but called
        different names. Suggestion for those plants going for BRC certification -
        ask for IFS certification to be done at the same time as this shouldn't cost
        you much more.

        Chingling Tanco
        Mida Trade
        Manila, Philippines

          From: Vanessa Broadnax <vanessa@baldorfood.com>
          Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2007 20:12:01 -0400
          To: <criticalcontrolpoints@yahoo.com>, <seafood@ucdavis.edu>
          Conversation: Auditing Quality Systems
          Subject: Re: Auditing Quality Systems

          Sometimes more is good. We need to keep food safety in the forefront. We can
          not afford not to look at different points of view. Different views keeps us
          on our toes. We must manage our time and efforts wisely.

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu <owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu>
          To: seafood@ucdavis.edu <seafood@ucdavis.edu>
          Sent: Thu Aug 09 19:57:07 2007
          Subject: Auditing Quality Systems

          I seem to spend a lot of time being accredited to one quality system or
          another and then meeting with Processors who complain that there are so many
          systems that they have to become documenters for each system with differing
          needs.

          Any comments on relative merits of the differing systems ?
          (without especially trashing systems by name)

          My two cents, for what it is worth, is that ISO 22000 will probably replace
          everything else eventually. ( it has HACCP components so is on-topic)

          Other views anyone?

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