Res: RE: Use of E450 in fishery products

From: Alex Augusto Gonçalve (alaugo@terra.com.br)
Date: Wed Mar 28 2007 - 06:35:58 PDT

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    Dear Laura, Chella and others colleagues,
     
    I'm not agree with you: E450 is not allowed for fish and/or fish products
    (according to EU Directive 95/2/EC):
     
    ANNEX IV - OTHER PERMITTED ADDITIVES
     
    The maximum levels of use indicated refer to foodstuffs ready for
    consumption prepared following manufacturers’ instructions.
     
    See Page 35:
     
    In the following applications the indicated maximum levels of phosphoric
    acid and the phosphates E 338, E 339, E 340, E 341, E 343, E 450, E 451 and
    E 452 May be added individually or in combination (expressed as P2O5):
     
    ENoNameFoodstuffMaximum level
    E 450DiphosphatesSauces5 g/kg
    Disodium diphosphateSoups and broths3 g/kg
    Trisodium diphosphateInstant tea and instant herbal infusions2 g/kg
    Tetrasodium diphosphateCider and Perry2 g/l
    Tétrapotassium phosphateChewing-gumq.s.
    Dried powdered foodstuffs10 g/kg
    Dicalcium diphosphateChocolate and malt dairy-based drinks2 g/l
    Calcium dihydrogen diphosphateAlcoholic drinks (excluding wine and beer)1
    g/l
    Breakfast cereals5 g/kg
    Snacks5 g/kg

     
    The E 451 (I, ii, iv) are used (applied/allowed) to surimi, fish and
    crustacean paste, fish fillets….
     
    I’m very confused because this directive show us some phosphates, but
    individually E450 is not applied to seafood (only E451).

    Maybe added in combination, but in which level?? (0.1; 0.5 or 1%)??
     
    All the best,
    __________________________________________
    Prof. Dr. Alex Augusto Gonçalves (alaugo@terra.com.br)
    Food Engineering Course – UNISINOS (alexg@unisinos.br)
    Gastronomy Course Coordinator – UNISINOS
    Master in Food Engineering
    Doctor in Production Engineering
    FAO/UN International Consultant
    GI-Pescado Coordinator
    http://paginas.terra.com.br/educacao/seafoodgroup/
    Executive member of Pan-American Network of Fish Inspection, Quality Control
     Technology and Aquaculture
     
    -------Mensagem original-------
     
    De: Garrido,Laura M
    Data: 27/3/2007 12:42:17
    Para: Chella Rao Grandhi.; seafood@ucdavis.edu
    Assunto: RE: Use of E450 in fishery products
     
    Dear List Members:
    E450 is ALLOWED. The inspector should have known this. However I can
    understand the confusion because the format in which the regulations in EU
    directive 95/2/Act are illustrated is very confusing if you are are familiar
    with it.
    In Annex IV of EU directive 95/2/EC there are 4 columns. The first column
    to the left has the E number (I.e. E450, 451, etc.), the second column has
    the name of the additives represented by the E number (Diphosphates:
    Disodium phosphates, trisodium diphosphates etc). Now, the the third column
    lists the foodstuffs that the additives listed on column 1 or 2 (from E338
    to the column break E468), can be added to, singly or in combination. This
    list starts with non alcoholic flavored drinks (page 31)and and ends with
    solid dietary supplements (page 33). As you can see 1) fillets of
    unprocessed fish, frozen and deep frozen 2) unprocessed, processed mollusks
    and crustaceans frozen and deep-frozen, 3) surimi, and 4)fish and
    crustaceans paste are all included in this list to which E450 can de added
    singly or in combination. Again, the ending point for the list is marked
    with a column break. I have seen through the years that many people have
    interpreted that E450 is only allowed sauces, soups, instant tea etc.
    which are the items listed right next to it. This is a mistake.
     
    Now column # 4 is the maximum level that is specific to the foodstuff listed
    right next to it in column # 3. Maximum levels of phosphates will varied
    depending on the product. For example surimi is 1g/kg while processed and
    unprocessed mollusks and crustaceans frozen and deep frozen is 5 g/kg
    expressed as P2O5.
     
    CARNAL and others phosphates that contain E450 can be used in fishery
    products.
    Go Gators!
    Laura Garrido
    Shrimp School
    University of Florida




    From: owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu] On Behalf
    Of Chella Rao Grandhi.
    Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 7:27 AM
    To: seafood@ucdavis.edu
    Subject: Use of E450 in fishery products


    Dear List Members,
     
    One of the EU - FVO inspectors who visited India in November 2006
    objected to the use of "CARNAL" in fishery products. CARNAL is a
    mixture of phosphates E 451, E 452 and E450. The objection was on
    the ground that E 450 is not permitted by EU DIRECTIVE 95/2/EC for
    use in fishery products. Carnal is manufacured by BUDENHEIM - a
    German company and EU importers require us to use it in fishery
    products. Will any one clarify whether E450 is really not permitted by
    EU for use in fishery products ?
     
     

    Thanks and best regards.
    Chella Rao Grandhi.
     
     


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