RE: Indicating thermometer

From: Lupin, Hector (FIIU) (Hector.Lupin@fao.org)
Date: Thu Jul 27 2006 - 07:40:35 PDT

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    People that work in process control call (and draw in plant blueprints)
    thermometers as TI, TR, TIR and TRC (and TIRC).
     
    TI is any kind of temperature indicator that gives a point (current)
    indication of temperature; measurement could be based on different type of
    devices from thermocouples to Hg thermometers. Usually a TI is placed right
    in the action and the lecture is taken in the place of the action (e.g. at
    the CCP).
     
    TR are temperature recorders, and this could produce graphic records or be
    eventually coupled to a data logger and/ or to a computer. TR could be in
    remote positions, or positions not easily accessible, or positions that
    require of a continued monitoring. Lecture of that kind of temperatures is
    usually feasible from panels in the control room or from computer terminals.
     
    TIR are indicators/ recorders of temperature. This means they give a point
    lecture and produce a record (analogic or digital). This is the type of
    equipment that could appear coupled to a manual retort.
     
    TI, TR and TIR could have some additional functions like to make a ring bell
    when the temperature is above or below certain value. The purpose is
    obviously to assist in the manual control and avoid somebody should be
    sitting by the thermometer looking all the time.
     
    To make things a bit more complex in the physical word we have three
    different "temperatures", dry bulb, wet bulb and radiation temperature. In
    some type of processing (e.g. drying) we need indications of both the dry and
    the wet bulb temperatures. This is not a scientific speculation without
    practical interest. When we are putting a thermometer in a fresh fish, we are
    actually measuring the "wet bulb" temperature, that according to the relative
    humidity of the air around the fish, will be usually somewhat below the "dry
    bulb" temperature of the surrounding air. The net result is that the fish
    exposed to the air will star to dry, first of all in the surface, changing
    the environment of the fish natural flora and allowing for instance the
    development of contaminant flora. Ice not only keeps temperature low, it
    keeps fish wet.
     
    TRC are recorders/ controllers of temperature. This means the temperature is
    recorded (analogically or digitally) and the signal of temperature is
    utilized to control automatically the temperature in the case of deviation of
    the desired value. This is the type of device that can be found for instance
    in automatically controlled retorts, also in equipments like shrimp cookers.
    TIRC, the same but point lecture is possible on the spot too. The big
    difference between this type of equipment and the previous ones is that this
    type of equipment, more than "thermometers" are "temperature controllers".
    Whereas in all the cases the purpose of the measurement of temperature is to
    control it, in the case of non-C "thermometers" the control should be
    performed through an human operator.
     
    In the industry blueprints thermometers usually appear as a circle inside
    which appears the type, e.g. TIR and a code (place in the plant/ line, etc).
    Of course there are drawing standards for them, and also standards of how a
    TI should be (see for instance ASTM F2362-03
    http://webstore.ansi.org/ansidocstore/product.asp?sku=ASTM+F2362-03).
     
    Standards could vary somewhat from country to country. Good plants count with
    a blueprint were all the measurement devices are properly identified and
    located in the blueprint according with their actual position and purpose.
    The code is important because any measurement device should be calibrated
    periodically and therefore it should be possible to identify it properly in
    the plant (and in the calibration logbook). Probably this is the key point of
    all the discussion, thermometers should be calibrated, no matter the way they
    are indicating, recording or storing data; they are always utilized to
    control and/or monitoring.
     
    Finally it is true that technical documents and even documents that refer to
    regulations (or even in regulations) appear references to different type of
    thermometers (and way of reading and/ or recording) and this is not always
    clear. In new university curricula dealing with food (and fish) curricula
    there is now a subject on measurement and control under industrial
    conditions, however, this was not the case in the past.
     
    The knowledge on different type of measurement and recording equipment (not
    only for temperature) is becoming more and more important in the food and
    fish industry, since very often essential parts of the process are automatic
    (it means controlled automatically), for instance water chlorination today is
    done automatically practically all around the world, and manual retorts for
    canned food products are becoming a industrial museum item.
     
    Kind regards.
     
    Hector M. Lupin
    Consultant
    FAO of the UN
     

            -----Original Message-----
            From: owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu] On
    Behalf Of Dr. R. Viswanathan
            Sent: 27 July 2006 10:06
            To: Vinod V
            Cc: seafood@ucdavis.edu
            Subject: Re: Indicating thermometer
            
            

            
            
            
            It may be the thermometer with digital display that gives an
    indication when the temperature reaches the set maximum level.
            
            Also it may be the thermometer with digital display which facilitates
    instant observation rather than looking at the dial, in the case of dial
    thermometer / the scale in the stem type mercury or alcohol filled one.
            
            Thu, 27 Jul 2006 Vinod V wrote :
    >
    >
    >Dear List,
    >
    >In page 204 of the "Fish & Fisheries Hazards & Controls Guidance :
    3rd edition, in the control strategy for hydrated batter mix control, under
    the head - How will monitoring be done ? There are 5 options out of which the
    5th option is, using an indicating thermometer.
    >
    >What is an indicating thermometer ? Aren't all the thermometers
    indicating thermometers or are these any specific type of thermometers ?
    >
    >Please clarify.
    >
    >Regards
    >
    >Vinod
    >INDIA
            

            With regards,
            
            Dr.R.Viswanathan,Ph.D.,
            Professor,
            Department of Food and Agricultural
                               Process Engineering,
            Tamil Nadu Agricultural University,
            Coimbatore -641 003.
            Phone: 0422-5511272 / 5511282
            
            Res: #12, Sowbhagya Nagar,
            A - Block, Opp. to KMCH, Civil Aerodrome, P.O., Coimbatore -641 014.

            Phone: 2629711
            
            
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