RE: HACCP Question

From: Liz Best (liz@akgen.com)
Date: Wed Apr 12 2006 - 11:46:41 PDT

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    Perhaps it is better understood as thus:

    Under the FDA Seafood HACCP regulation, each processor should have a
    written sanitation standard operating procedure (SSOP) for meeting the
    cGMP's (Part110) which also includes monitoring 8 specific sanitation
    points as outlined in Sec 123.11 of the FDA Seafood HACCP regulation.

    So basically, the SSOP is the written program for complying with the
    cGMP's and Sec. 123.11 of the FDA Seafood HACCP regulation.

    Regards,

    Liz Best, AGS

     

     

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    From: owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu] On
    Behalf Of Rippen, Thomas E.
    Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:06 AM
    To: Timothy Numilengi; Remi Michalowski
    Cc: Daniel Brooks; seafood@ucdavis.edu
    Subject: RE: HACCP Question

     

    Hi Tim,

    GMPs are regulations, e.g. the U.S. FDA umbrella GMPs (21 CFR part 110).
    SSOPs are company-specific procedures for complying with the GMPs; for
    example, a company's procedures, equipment, detergents and sanitizers
    used to clean their processing rooms, including how these things are
    monitored.

    Tom

     

    Thomas E. Rippen

    Seafood Technology Specialist

    Sea Grant Extension Program

    Center for Food Science and Technology

    University of Maryland Eastern Shore

    Princess Anne, MD 21853

    410-651-6636

    410-651-8498 fax

    terippen@umes.edu

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Timothy Numilengi [mailto:tnumilengi@fisheries.gov.pg]
    Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:11 AM
    To: Remi Michalowski; Lupin, Hector (FIIU)
    Cc: Daniel Brooks; seafood@ucdavis.edu
    Subject: RE: HACCP Question

     

    Hi Food safe list,

    The prequisite programs are important especially GMP and SSOP to support
    your HACCP plan and I agree with this comment. However, I'm still
    having difficulty in defferenciating GMP from SSOP. Can anybody explain
    what is GMP and SSOP? Thanks.

     

    Tim.

            -----Original Message-----
            From: owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu
    [mailto:owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu] On Behalf Of Remi Michalowski
            Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 5:50 PM
            To: Lupin, Hector (FIIU)
            Cc: Daniel Brooks; seafood@ucdavis.edu
            Subject: Re: HACCP Question

            The main issue actually is that everyone presents the HACCP as a
    miracle solution to prevent food safety issues.

             

            However, HACCP is nothing without the Pre-Requisites Program
    e.g. GMP, SSOP, Facilities conditions and Workers' Skills and Awareness.

             

            If you do not meet the requirements for the PRP, well, no need
    to claim "I am a HACCP company".

             

            That is right, you can have all the documentation the customers
    need, you can prepare your audit but, at the end, if you do not have
    your PRP, if you do not have correctly designed, implemented and made
    your HACCP leaving (that is to say verified, validated and reviewed), it
    is so useless... such as getting milk powder in the middle of the desert
    without water.

             

            HACCP is a tool, powerful, but if you look at the Codex standard
    : if you cannot monitor the CCP, it is not a CCP... What the hell is
    that???

             

            The gap is filed with the ISO 22000 and I really believe that
    this standard is a little revolution for the food businesses and all the
    actors within the food chain.

             

            kind regards,

             

            Remi Michalowski

            Indonesia

             

            On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Lupin, Hector (FIIU) wrote:

            
            
            

             

            Dear all,

             

            HACCP has been (and is) the top of an iceberg of a way in
    producing safe foods. HACCP has been defined as a change of paradigm in
    the way to produce safe foods (change of technological paradigm in the
    terms of Thomas Kuhn); and from that point of view we are still in the
    transitory period between the old and the new paradigm; between the
    "classic" food and fish inspection, generic food hygiene and the new
    paradigm.

            However, at the same time HACCP is just a risk management tool
    within what is the Risk Management chapter of Risk Analysis. Risk
    Analysis is the real new paradigm (*).

             

            In Marguerite Yourcenar's book, Memoirs of Hadrian, she wrote
    that emperor Hadrian's time was a very particular time because the old
    gods were moribund and the new god was still a baby. We could have a
    similar image for HACCP (and Risk Analysis) that are the new "gods"
    (that in some way engulf the "old" ones) but at the same time a large
    portion of the "old" practices remain including regulatory aspects.

             

            HACCP in all the regulations is the responsibility of the
    producer and/ or the people responsible of the different stages till the
    food arrive to the consumer. There are some noticeable differences
    between regulations because some include primary producers (e.g. fish
    boats and ponds) and other not; or may not include some of the
    responsible along the food chain (covered by some ad-hoc regulations).
    But the important thing is that regulatory HACCP is the whole
    responsibility of producer (or according to regulations of who owns,
    handle or process the food at a given time). In my opinion a point not
    well communicated is that the responsibility (and in most cases the
    liability) of the safety of the fish or food, under regulatory HACCP, is
    with that operators (identified in the specific regulations); and not
    any longer with inspection services (or "competent authorities").

             

            Of course fish and food inspection services continue to have a
    number of responsibilities and role, among others that of monitoring and
    verify (audit) that HACCP be implemented according with regulatory
    requirements (this obviously depends on the specific HACCP regulation).
    Perhaps here we could repeat that that one of the big problems (world
    over) and that sometimes affect even big companies, is the lack of
    implementation of HACCP Principle No 6; that according to the Codex
    version reads:

             

            "Establish procedures for verification to confirm that the HACCP
    system is working effectively"

             

            This "verification" is not the same "verification" (and audit)
    of the fish inspection service. The "verification" mentioned in
    Principle 6 is for the operators to do; is internal verification and
    audit. This is the weakest part of HACCP implementation and very often
    analysing food outbreaks it is easy to find out that the problem has
    born from the lack of verification of who should do that. For instance a
    number of HACCP plans rely on the declaration or analysis reports
    provided by suppliers on the absence/ control of some hazards; that is
    fine as normal procedure, but verification should be performed, by who
    is purchasing, from time to time. Not with every batch, but from time to
    time to see if reality checks with documents. Just that. It is not
    possible or economic to check, for instance each ice load for
    microbiological standards or to see if each bag of chilli powder is free
    from Sudan 1; but if the hazard could be there, we should have a plan to
    verify from time to time that what our supplier is telling us is true. A
    word of caution, not necessarily he/ she wants to cheat us on purpose;
    quite often they have the same problem, they accept certificates from
    their suppliers without to verify them. Papers (or electronic records)
    are one thing reality may be different; papers (or computers) never say
    NO!!! when somebody want to write (record) some non-sense.

             

            Food and fish inspection services (or competent authorities), or
    wherever you want to call them, have very little possibility to control
    situations like those described in the previous paragraph. They can look
    (monitor), from time to time, your HACCP plans to see if you have proper
    verification (and internal HACCP audit) schemes; sometimes they could
    have also access to your records and can ask for corrective actions
    logbook. Look at the face of a (experienced) HACCP fish inspector when
    you tell him/ her that you do not have any record of corrective actions
    during the last year because there was not need! Certainly you had, and
    most probably you did the right thing at the time; but most probably you
    did not record it; and the main problem is that you acted when the
    problem was notorious (e.g. because of the complaint of a customer) and
    not because of a systematic and planned action from your side. The
    concept of the systematic and planned verification is that you could
    discover problems before they leave your plant.

            It is placed there in case something serious could escape the
    CCPs (and eventually the SSOPs).

             

            All that are things to do, in the plant, to do seriously, with
    conviction, with the best of our technological knowledge. No
    "certification", "authorization" from fish inspection service, private
    institutions or even ISO, or wherever, could replace that. Some of that
    things could certainly help by providing guidelines or a procedure (or
    even a standard) to do that, but people should do it (and that
    requirement it is already in the HACCP guidelines).

             

            Yes, fish is not only fish; but what we call "fish" is actually
    "fish + technology + quality & safety + service"; and the last three
    terms continue to increase.

             

            Kind regards.

             

            Hector M. Lupin

             

            (*) I wrote this paragraph to express that we are part of a
    culture, of a society, of a time in History. Some authors talk of
    post-modern societies as the "Risk Societies" (see for instance Ulrich
    Beck, Risk Society, Towards a New Modernity. London: Sage Publications,
    1992 [originally publ. 1986]. 260 pp.) and most likely developed
    countries behave very much in the way Beck theorises. Without this
    understanding of the role of "risk" in contemporary developed societies
    it is difficult to understand changes like the introduction of HACCP and
    the development of Risk Analysis. They are not here because of some
    illuminated food (or fish) inspector created them, but because society
    is pressing for schemes like that (to self protect themselves) and
    politicians have very little or not chance to follow. Industries that
    understand that, both in developed and developing countries, will have
    certainly a competitive advantage in the years to come. HACCP
    regulations are not a regulation in the terms of an imposition, and it
    is misleading to see them like that. It is an answer to something that
    Society are asking for. HACCP regulations have been a help to the fish
    industry all around the world.

             

             

             

             

                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu
    [mailto:owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Brooks
                    Sent: 11 April 2006 11:58
                    To: seafood@ucdavis.edu
                    Subject: HACCP Question

                    Dear All:
                    
                    In most cases, things have improved in the correlation
    between a written HACCP document with the implemented HACCP practices.
    But there is still a way's to go meaning there still can be a big
    discrepancy between the written HACCP document in the importer's office
    vs. what's actually going on in a supplier's plant. And one should be
    careful not to be automatically lulled into a sense of security by the
    word 'competent' in the term competent authority - especially in the
    area of HACCP!

                    
                    Thank you.
                    
                    Daniel E. Brooks
                    Managing Director
                    Food Audits International, Ltd. &

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            Senior Manager IQA Food Processing

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