Re: VACUUM-PACKED FISH

From: Evert Liewes (evertliewes@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu May 09 2002 - 23:29:14 PDT

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    We have been dealing with similar problems in supplying a supermarket chain.
    The client refused to accept MAP packed products hat had a temperuature of
    more than +2 degrees Celcius. We agreed on a protocol to measure between the
    MAP consumer packs in the carton boxes. If the temperature was too high they
    would open a pack and measure the core temperature of the product. In
    general differences were not too great. The product was not accepted if the
    temperature was was exceeding the agreed temperature limit.

    We ran into a lot of problems as the products arrived several times with
    wrong temperatures due to bad transport temperatures. We agreed with the
    transporter to take the temperatures of the product before leaving our
    production plant and the client tested again at arrival. The transporter had
    to pre cool the truck first. Transport temperatures varied from 0 degr. C
    to -4 degr. C on very hot summer days. This way of working made the
    transporter responsible for a possible claim. This works very well. Since
    then no more problems.

    It seems advisable for your vacuum salmon supplier to measure the
    temparature (between the packs in the closed box) in the presence of the
    driver of the transport company and to note this temparature on the
    transport documents. Also indicate the required max transport temparature.
    Agree on this with the transporter. Upon arrival you measure temparature
    again. This may help to focus all praticipants in the production and cold
    chain on handling the products right.

    Evert Liewes
    Pampuszigt 20
    1111 TH DIEMEN
    The Netherlands
    Tel: +31-20-4161374
    Fax: +31-20-4161378
    Mobile: +31-653 750 272
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Jose Roques" <Jose.Roques@bellcold.com>
    To: <>
    Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:17 PM
    Subject: VACUUM-PACKED FISH

    > Dear List:
    >
    > I have just gone through our HACCP review for 2002 and a question was
    > brought up. We receive fresh salmon that has been vacuum-packed. In our
    > HACCP we established that reception of vacuum-packed fish is a CCP and the
    > critical limit was set at 38F. The problem is that we do not own this
    > product and, therefore, we cannot puncture the package to get a core
    > temperature. We have resolved this by inserting a wire-probe between 2
    > packages. Unfortunately, our production representative indicates that by
    > following this procedure the temperatures are always above 38F (in the
    high
    > 40s).
    >
    > Does anybody have any ideas to deal with this type of product?
    >
    > Thank you for your help.
    >
    > José M. Roqués
    > Bellingham Cold Storage
    > Special Projects Manager/QA Manager
    > Phone: (360)733-1640
    > Fax: (360)671-2587
    >
    >



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