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From: Ken Hilderbrand (ken.hilderbrand@hmsc.orst.edu)
Date: Wed Apr 12 2000 - 09:08:26 PDT

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    Joe,

    I've seen work done on steaming shellfish - but I think it was
    recommendations to restaurants and home use. But for a commercial
    cooked-ready-to-eat HACCP plan I think FDA would expect a 7d cook. Chapter
    three of the Compendium
    (http://seafood.ucdavis.edu/haccp/compendium/compend.htm)
    contains a table of cook times for blue crab. That may be as close to what
    you want as you are going to see. It shows 165 F as being a 7d cook for
    Listeria. The same has been found for Dungeness crab (done by NFPA for their
    members) last year.

    When deep fried fish float in the oil it means that enough water has been
    cooked out of the batter to create negative buoyancy. This fish could still
    be raw in the middle.

    Crab and lobsters turn red when cooked because the red pigment is exposed -
    the masking pigments are gone. There is no relationship between surface
    color and core temperature.

    If you are putting together a commercial HACCP plan the best bet is to set
    cooking as the critical control point and set core temperature as the
    critical limit. I can not predict if the FDA would accept the 165 F core
    temperature as adequate. They want the processor to prove that it is.

    If checking core temperatures is not practical then set cook temperature and
    time as the critical limits and check core temperatures occasionally to
    verify that a 7d cook is adequate. You might also want to check the Food
    Code http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/fc99-toc.html for information. This is FDA
    recommendations for food service and restaurants.

    Ken Hilderbrand

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-seafood@ucdavis.edu]On
    Behalf Of kosher
    Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:22 AM
    To: seafood@ucdavis.edu
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    Hi! I have received the following questions from a retailer interested in
    doing HACCP at the store level. Thoughts and comments would be
    appreciated. Thanks. Cheers.

    Joe M. Regenstein

    Do you know if there has been any work done on steaming shellfish and
    finished temperatures once the shellfish open? We are working on the cooked
    portion of the HACCP plan. If you have any references I would appreciate
    the information. Also, when frying fish- what makes it float? This has
    traditionally been used as an indicator of doneness when frying fish at
    store level- is there any association between finished temperatures and
    floating published anywhere?

    What about lobsters? - what makes
    it turn red and is this a reliable indication of doneness?



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