[LAW-LIB:59300] RE: In search of bad online searches

From: Cole, Anna B. (acole@milesstockbridge.com)
Date: Fri Jun 19 2009 - 06:29:54 PDT

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         Ha! It is the new Summer Season and yesterday an otherwise bright young law student asked me what digest was, when I suggested that a digest might be a good source to answer her research question.

    looking forward to your list

     Anna Cole

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    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu] On Behalf Of Cohan, Jeffrey
    Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 6:02 PM
    To: Kent Olson
    Cc: Law Lib
    Subject: [LAW-LIB:59299] RE: In search of bad online searches

    Kent

    I work in the law firm world. My comments are based on experiences in
    several AM law firms.

    I take the time to comment because the situation you describe is
    emblematic of the frustration we all feel when working with summer and
    incoming associates in the library.

    It is not a personal comment directed toward you or your colleagues.

    The problem is that that your student was using a keyword approach for a
    legal concept. The fact that she added the keyword NY to the search
    probably means she was in the wrong database and she probably hadn't
    though much about jurisdiction before she started either. At least she
    could have used the segment for NY.

    Law students are coming to us without a good handle on generalized
    sources in which to begin research nor an overall sense of jurisdiction
    and controlling authorities.

    Jeff Cohan

    my opinion and not that of my employer

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu] On
    Behalf Of Kent Olson
    Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:31 PM
    To: AALL Academic Law Libraries SIS; law-lib@ucdavis.edu
    Subject: [LAW-LIB:59297] In search of bad online searches

    Yesterday I was reviewing a law student's Westlaw research. She was
    looking for cases and articles about conservators' power of attorney in
    New York. When her initial search:
    "power of attorney" "conservator"
    turned up a few hundred thousand documents, she modified it:
    "power of attorney" "conservator" "new york"
    and instead got almost three million documents.

    This particular instance is an example of the Googlization of search --
    adding more words narrows a Google search but does the opposite in
    Westlaw. It's probably a familiar problem for many of us. But it got me
    thinking about using really unsuccessful searches as a teaching tool. We

    show our students how to construct good Lexis and Westlaw searches, but
    it could also be a good classroom exercise or assignment to give them a
    series of bad searches and ask "What's wrong with these searches? What
    would you do to fix them?"

    Legal writing instructors sometimes hand out lists of error-riddled
    citations for students to correct, but I don't recall seeing anything
    similar with bad online searches. And so I'm soliciting your help. If
    you have a record of any memorable searches, please send them my way.
    I'll compile a "Kids Write the Darndest Searches" list (without
    identifying contributors, unless you ask for attribution) and share the
    results with the group.

    thank! appreciat! /s "very much"
    - Kent

    Kent Olson
    University of Virginia Law Library
    kolson@virginia.edu

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