I expect Mr. Huttner is holding off thanking people until a decision
is made. At this point he is, rightly or wrongly, attempting to
defend himself.
While I wish Ron would be quiet for his own good in this matter, I do
think that providing a list of comments, unattributed, is a
provocation of sorts.
Yes Ron can be rude.
Ron can also be extremely helpful, and witty on the side.
Over the years I've gotten rude remarks from both Ron and "Leslie."
At least with Ron I know who I'm speaking/arguing/(dis)agreeing with.
With "Leslie" I have no idea, and that makes a huge difference.
I repeat, I do not think a professional listserv is any place for
anonymity. Require a verifiable signature block on every posting - I
imagine at least 95% of us have them - and much of the insults would
stop.
Just my thoughts,
Brian
On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Taggart, Katherine E. wrote:
> With e-mails like this, I wonder if we are fools for advocating his
> presence. He has not thanked anyone for their kind words and support
> and for me, that changes my vote to kick him out, unfortunately.
>
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> From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu]
> On Behalf Of Ronald Huttner
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:00 PM
> To: law-lib@ucdavis.edu; Lyn Warmath
> Subject: [LAW-LIB:58109] RE: Inconsiderate and disrespectful list
> participants "civil protection orders", "time-outs", "sin-bins",
> "suspensions" etc
>
> Lyn,
> Without the full text of each of the particular emails in which
> those words were used by me I have NO WAY AT ALL OF KNOWING the
> occasions on which those epithets were used, to whom they were
> addressed, or why they were used. They SEEM to me to, from muy
> unaided recollection, to have been used almost (if not totally)
> exclusively against Leslie Germaine. If they were, I stand proudly
> behind EVERY single one of them. Please supply me with FULL
> references to EACH of the emails to which you are referring. I know
> that you are a scrupulously fair person at all times. Aren't you ?
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
>
>
> On 10/02/2009, at 8:47 AM, Lyn Warmath wrote:
>
>> I was thinking that Byron Hill had the right idea when he suggested
>> to Mr. Huttner:
>> There's no need to remove Leslie -- if you don't respond to him/her
>> publicly, Leslie will fade away like a flower in darkness. You are
>> his/her sunshine. Rise above the baiting, ignore him/her and just
>> be the valuable, insightful member of the list that you can be.
>> Leslie will wither away and law-lib, with Ron Huttner, can once
>> again be a informative, helpful and respectful community.
>> I suggested to Mr. Huttner a similar solution last November during
>> an earlier Huttner/Germaine squabble. I suggested to Mr. Huttner
>> that he held the key to resolving his problems with Ms./Mr.
>> Germaine and that he could completely control the dialogue by "not
>> engaging," with Mr./Ms. Germaine. That simple change in behavior
>> would suit thousands of law-libbers and not require the removal of
>> anyone from this list. Problem solved.
>>
>> But darned if Mr. Huttner this very afternoon didn't go and expand
>> his vitriol again toward a fellow law-libber. While I find Mr.
>> Huttner's hostilities toward Mr./Ms. Germaine offensive enough, I
>> find his abuse toward our list's members even more strange and
>> disturbing.
>>
>> Mr. Huttner's most recent message below reveals again his
>> disrespect for all fellow law-libbers with whom he disagrees. His
>> reaction to a suggestion from a sincere, fair-minded law-libber as
>> "puerile stupidity" hardly falls within the guidelines of ALA's
>> Code of Ethics, which Peter Pearl pointed out in his earlier post:
>> We treat co-workers and other colleagues with respect, fairness and
>> good faith, and advocate conditions of employment that safeguard
>> the rights and welfare of all employees of our institutions.
>>
>> In the example below and over the years Mr. Huttner has gone far,
>> far beyond the limits of flaming only Mr./Ms. Germaine. Consider
>> please just a few of the lovely descriptions Mr. Huttner has
>> applied to our colleagues and fellow law-libbers whose only
>> offenses were holding opinions different from his:
>> bastard
>> moronic
>> ignorant
>> obnoxious
>> cowardly fool
>> stupid
>> lazy
>> hypocrite
>> childish
>> mindless
>> petty
>> pathetic
>> Yes, Mr. Huttner has provided valuable information to some law-
>> libbers. But are law-libbers really willing to condone abusive
>> behavior toward their fellow librarians who in no way provoked Mr.
>> Huttner? Would any of us accept this type of behavior in the
>> workplace for long? Judi Janes has given Mr. Huttner and Mr./Ms.
>> Germaine ample opportunities (and then some) to mend their ways.
>> They apparently would rather snipe at each other than respect their
>> fellow librarians. I believe it is time to pull the plug and let
>> them start their own list. --Lyn Warmath
>> Lyn Warmath
>> Director Information Services
>> Hirschler Fleischer
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>>
>> From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu]
>> On Behalf Of Ronald Huttner
>> Sent: 02/09/2009 3:13 PM
>> To: law-lib@ucdavis.edu
>> Subject: [LAW-LIB:58094] RE: Inconsiderate and disrespectful list
>> participants "civil protection orders", "time-outs", "sin-bins",
>> "suspensions" etc
>>
>> For the sake of the record, I shall totally reject any
>> "suspension", "time-out", sin-bin", "civil protection order" or
>> equally puerile stupidity.
>>
>> I am not a small child.
>>
>> I am a mature adult of 64 years, with over 41 years' experience in
>> the law.
>>
>> Either chuck me off the List or keep me on it.
>>
>> Just make up your mind.
>>
>> Preferably soon.
>>
>> Ron Huttner
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/02/2009, at 6:57 AM, GBaker9916@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> I believe to be fair you have to suspend both. It's not like it
>>> was a unilateral breach of board policy. They both played their
>>> parts.
>>>
>>> Instead of a suspension, how about a time-out? Maybe an
>>> electronic civil protection order against both. Neither is to
>>> respond to the other's posts.
>>>
>>> I'd like to see something short of the board version of the death
>>> penalty for a first punishment. Just my two cents.
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
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