[LAW-LIB:57542] Re: Birthday Cakes For Mini-Nazis ? - Hitler is already a social stigma - Reply

From: Bennett, Sarah S. (sbennett@sandw.com)
Date: Wed Dec 17 2008 - 09:40:10 PST

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    >From the article 6 Baby Names You Probably Shouldn't Give Your Kid
     
    6. ADOLF
    Memories of death camps and fascism have kept parents from christening
    their kids Adolf for quite some time. But one unlucky youngster acquired
    the name in 1949. He was the son of William Patrick Hitler-the
    dictator's nephew, who moved to America in the 1930s to fight against
    his uncle. It isn't clear why William preserved the name, but his four
    sons (including Alexander Adolf Hitler, now 57) made a pact to never
    have children in an effort to stunt der Fuehrer's family tree at its
    branches.
     
    http://blogs.static.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/20573.html
     
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    From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu] On
    Behalf Of martm9241@aol.com
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    To: rshutt@netspace.net.au; law-lib@ucdavis.edu
    Subject: [LAW-LIB:57540] Re: Birthday Cakes For Mini-Nazis ? - Hitler is
    already a social stigma - Reply

    Interestingly enough, there was a really fascinating program on the
    History Channel a few months back showing that Hitler had some surviving
    relatives here in the States (in-laws, and descendants of in-laws).

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ronald Huttner <rshutt@netspace.net.au>
    To: law-lib@ucdavis.edu
    Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:18 am
    Subject: [LAW-LIB:57538] Re: Birthday Cakes For Mini-Nazis ? - Hitler is
    already a social stigma - Reply

    These examples are not remotely analagous to the New Jersey case. And it
    does not advance useful debate on the New Jersey case to drag in such
    completely false analogies. If one's surname is, in fact, Hitler then so
    be it. One can change one's name if one wants to, or be content to go
    through life with it. I have never looked, but I would not be at all
    surprised if there are Hitlers in Germany and/or Austria. Retaining
    one's true surname in no way means that one approves of, or empathizes
    with the actions of another person with the same surname who was
    notoriously evil. So too if one's first name is Osama, Ghengis, Attila
    or Ted or Charles (remember Charles Manson ?). I have, in fact, met
    several 100% decent and law-abiding Turks with the given name Ghenghis
    or Attila. No-one (certainly not myself) is seriously suggesting that
    one should be required to change one's actual given or surname simply
    because somebody else with the same given or surname s a notorious
    criminal or terrorist. What we are talking about here are manifestly
    nazi parents with the uncontroversial and very common surname Campbell,
    who have quite deliberately and calculatingly chosen to name each of
    their very young 3 children either after notoriously evil SS men or
    after a notorious white-supremacist / nazi organization (i.e. the
    revolting group "Aryan Nation").

    Ron Huttner

    On 18/12/2008, at 3:51 AM, Morris, Kimberli wrote:

            Careful on some of these off limits names. Banning the name
    'Osama' is a bit like banning the name Theodore or Ted because of the
    Unibomber, or permutations of Jeff because of Dahmer. I'd be interested
    to see how many family names of Hitler show up in Germany or Austria.
            
            ____ ___________________________
            Kimberli A. Morris
            Penn State Dickinson School of Law
            e-mail: kam59@dsl.psu.edu
            
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            From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu
    [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu] On Behalf Of Rick.McKinney@frb.gov
            Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:14 AM
            To: Stephanie Huthmacher
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    owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu
            Subject: [LAW-LIB:57525] Re: Birthday Cakes For Mini-Nazis ? -
    Hitler is already a social stigma
            
            A national search in whitepages.com turned up only 23 names with
    the last
            name "Hitler" and only three names with "Adolph Hitler." I
    think the
            social stigma alone against using the name is very strong. For
    instance,
            how many men do you see wearing a short moustache like Hitler?
    If such is
            the case, I don't think specific laws are necessary. And if a
    state does
            legislate in this area should it also add names like "Genghis,
    Attila,
            Osama, and the like). I would think that Adolph Hitler Campbell
    would
            change his name as soon as he turns 18 if his parents don't do
    so
            beforehand out of pity.
            
            Rick McKinney
            
            
            
            
            
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    Birthday Cakes
                        12/17/2008 10:41 For Mini-Nazis ?

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            Love it, Marty!!!
            
            One would think that parents would be more mindful of what they
    name their
            chi ldren... but take a walk through a shopping center or mall
    and you'll see
            that such is not the case. Celebrities are VERY GOOD at picking
    strange
            names.
            
            Poor kid probably doesn't even know who Hitler is...
            
            
            From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu
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            Behalf Of martm9241@aol.com
            Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:15 AM
            To: law-lib@ucdavis.edu
            Subject: [LAW-LIB:57518] Re: Birthday Cakes For Mini-Nazis ?
            
            Ron,
            
            When I have a kid, I think I might name him Jacob Protocols of
    Zion
            Firestein just to scare the people out there who are like this
    guy.
            
            -Marty
            
            
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Ronald Huttner <rshutt@netspace.net.au>
            To: law-lib@ucdavis.edu
            Sent: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 9:08 am
            Subject: [LAW-LIB:57517] Birthday Cakes For Mini-Nazis ?
            I've just been reading the story about the charming New Jersey
    couple and
            the shop that refused to make a birthday cake for their (no
    doubt equally
            charming) 3-year-old son, little Adolf Hitler Campbell. Are
    there no laws
            in the USA designed to protect minors from having their
    lives ruined
            forever by their neo-nazi, moronic and selfish parents ?
    Does the First Amendment guarantee of free speech really mean
    that any parent is
            completely free to give his/her child whatever name he/she
    chooses - no
            matter how utterly appalling it may be or how likely the child
    will suffer
            grievously as a result ? Surely in a rational society there
    must be limits
            to the right to free speech. Here in Australia we have no
    equivalent to the
            First Amendment and my understanding is that th! e
    various State and
            Territory Registrars Of Births, Deaths And Marriages have
    a statutory
            discretion to refuse to register an outrageous or offensive
    name. I'd be
            really interested to hear what USA List-Members think of this
    case.
            
            
            Ron Huttner LL.B (Hons)
            (Retired) Barrister, Solicitor, Law Lecturer and Legal
    Researcher
            Melbourne
            Victoria
            Australia
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