Thanks Jim. To all, can we please keep the politics off this list?
Ms. Kerry Prindiville
E: kprindiville@co.fresno.ca.us<mailto:kprindiville@co.fresno.ca.us>
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From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Milles
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 8:25 AM
To: List law-lib
Subject: [LAW-LIB:56563] RE: Sarah Palin and Libraries
Perhaps I misunderstood. I assumed that my colleagues here would be able to respect one another's opinions without resorting to low insults and snarky comments.
I invite anyone who wishes to continue this discussion--or simply to show their support for their candidate of choice--to do so at <http://lawlibraries.ning.com> http://lawlibraries.ning.com. I have started a Law Librarians for Obama/Biden group, but others are welcome to form groups to back McCain/Palin, Bob Barr, or anyone you like.
Jim Milles
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On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:55 AM, "Butterfield, George " <<mailto:GeorgeButterfield@creighton.edu>GeorgeButterfield@creighton.edu<mailto:GeorgeButterfield@creighton.edu>> wrote:
The way I read the comment is that keeping the listserv a politics-free zone is possibly (I did notice the question mark) one measure of adulthood not that politics is incompatible with adulthood. I read Kevin to be saying that there are places to discuss politics but that this is not the place and that refraining from making it such a place could be "one measure of adulthood." Of course, Kevin can speak for himself but that is how I read him.
On the other hand, if this is a place for partisan politics then I plan to begin an Obama-Biden Plagiarism thread. :)
Sorry, Kevin, I couldn't help myself. I don't claim to be an adult.
George Butterfield
Legal Reference Librarian
Creighton Univ. School of Law Library
2500 California Plaza
Omaha, NE 68178
Office phone: 402-280-2243
Fax: 402-280-2244
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From: <mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu> owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu<mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu> [<mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu>mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu] On Behalf Of Jim Milles
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:24 AM
To: Kevin Shelton
Cc: <mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu> <mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu> law-lib@ucdavis.edu<mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: [LAW-LIB:56559] RE: Sarah Palin and Libraries
I don't understand that comment at all. How is politics incompatible with adulthood?
Jim
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Kevin Shelton <<mailto:Kevin.Shelton@hofstra.edu><mailto:Kevin.Shelton@hofstra.edu>Kevin.Shelton@hofstra.edu<mailto:Kevin.Shelton@hofstra.edu>> wrote:
While it may be impossible to declare any unmoderated listserv a
"politics-free zone", it is an admirable desideratum to try to keep this
one so, in my opinion. Perhaps that is one measure of adulthood?
Kevin Shelton
Reference Librarian
Barbara and Maurice A. Deane Law Library
Hofstra University School of Law
122 Hofstra University
Hempstead, New York 11549-1220
Telephone: (516) 463-6150
Fax: (516) 463-5129
E-mail: <mailto:lawkbs@hofstra.edu> <mailto:lawkbs@hofstra.edu> lawkbs@hofstra.edu<mailto:lawkbs@hofstra.edu>
>>> "Jim Milles" <<mailto:jgmilles@buffalo.edu><mailto:jgmilles@buffalo.edu>jgmilles@buffalo.edu<mailto:jgmilles@buffalo.edu>> 9/4/2008 5:09 PM >>>
*sigh*
This "issue" comes up every election year...
We're all professionals here, and we're all adults. We may disagree,
but
over the years we've generally disagreed in a civil fashion. Politics
is
important, and this election in particular presents a very clear
choice--if
you don't think so, no matter which side you come down on, you haven't
been
paying attention. Trying to declare this listserv a politics-free zone
is
both pointless and misguided.
Jim Milles
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Stephanie Huthmacher
<<mailto:shuthmacher@lglaw.com><mailto:shuthmacher@lglaw.com>shuthmacher@lglaw.com<mailto:shuthmacher@lglaw.com>>wrote:
> Spoken like a true member of the legal profession...
>
>
>
> I, too, am a legal librarian. I find the banning of books repulsive
and
> any intrusion into ones personal library records abhorrent.
>
> Perhaps if parents were to talk to their children, or pop their heads
into
> their rooms once in a while, they could get an idea on what the kids
are
> doing, rather than relying on the librarian to monitor behavior.
>
>
>
> If you don't like a book, don't read it - if you don't like a
movie, don't
> watch it. No one holds a gun to anyone's heading forcing them to do
> anything they find offensive. Time to take responsibility for your
own
> actions without impinging on the rights of others...
>
>
>
>
>
> Stephanie N. Huthmacher, MLS
>
> 42 Delaware Avenue, Suite 120
>
> Buffalo, New York 14202-3924
>
> Phone: 716.849.1333 ext. 330
>
> Fax: 716.855.1580
>
> E-mail: <mailto:shuthmacher@lglaw.com> <mailto:shuthmacher@lglaw.com> shuthmacher@lglaw.com<mailto:shuthmacher@lglaw.com>
>
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* <mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu> <mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu> owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu<mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu> [mailto:<mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu><mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu>owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu<mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu>]
*On
> Behalf Of *Frye, Nanna
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:42 PM
> *To:* Library; <mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu> <mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu> law-lib@ucdavis.edu<mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu>
> *Subject:* [LAW-LIB:56539] RE: Sarah Palin and Libraries
>
>
>
> Ah, but you did inject partisan politics into it, Paula, by the
manner
> in which you related these facts. Is anyone in doubt as to your
position on
> Sarah Palin after reading your posting? You certainly did not supply
both
> sides of the story. Reasonable minds could differ on the legislation
you
> mentioned below on whether parents could learn about the books their
> children are borrowing from a library. If your teenage child has
been moody
> and you discover a library book on suicide in the teenager's room,
shouldn't
> you be able to find out if the child had borrowed other books on
suicide?
> Many would say "yes." Was the censoring a blanket act that applied
to
> adults and children or just to children? Are we talking about
literary
> books or titillating junk novellas that Palin wanted to censor?
Again, we
> don't have both sides of the story. After many, many years of
working for a
> court, it is very rare when there are not two sides to a story.
>
>
>
> I will reserve judgment until I have ALL of the facts. I would
prefer
> that we avoid political postings on law-lib about the presidential
election
> even if they do allegedly deal with "library topics."
>
> Nanna Frye, Law Librarian
> Court of Appeal
> San Diego, CA
>
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* <mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu> <mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu> owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu<mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu> [mailto:<mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu><mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu>owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu<mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu>]
*On
> Behalf Of *Library
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:54 AM
> *To:* <mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu> <mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu> law-lib@ucdavis.edu<mailto:law-lib@ucdavis.edu>
> *Subject:* [LAW-LIB:56536] Sarah Palin and Libraries
>
> I know this isn't the place for partisan politics and I'm not going
to
> discuss what I think of Sarah Palin's positions on abortion or
foreign
> policy or whether polar bears belong on the Endangered Species Act.
But she
> did try to censor books in the Wasilla Public Library and she did try
to
> fire the librarian for not agreeing to do so. And she did support a
bill in
> the legislature that would have forced librarians to tell parents
what books
> their children had checked out of the library.
>
> I thought, as librarians, you might want to know her position on
libraries
> and censorship.
> There is a well documented anti-Palin librarian's web site that
discusses
> this. issues:<http://librariansagainstpalin.wordpress.com/><http://librariansagainstpalin.wordpress.com/>http://librariansagainstpalin.wordpress.com/
>
> Paula Lichtenberg, Librarian
> Keker & Van Nest LLP, San Francisco
>
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