Perhaps I misunderstood. I assumed that my colleagues here would be
able to respect one another's opinions without resorting to low
insults and snarky comments.
I invite anyone who wishes to continue this discussion--or simply to
show their support for their candidate of choice--to do so at http://lawlibraries.ning.com
. I have started a Law Librarians for Obama/Biden group, but others
are welcome to form groups to back McCain/Palin, Bob Barr, or anyone
you like.
>
> Jim Milles
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On Sep 5, 2008, at 10:55 AM, "Butterfield, George " <GeorgeButterfield@creighton.edu
> > wrote:
>
>> The way I read the comment is that keeping the listserv a politics-
>> free zone is possibly (I did notice the question mark) one measure
>> of adulthood not that politics is incompatible with adulthood. I
>> read Kevin to be saying that there are places to discuss politics
>> but that this is not the place and that refraining from making it
>> such a place could be “one measure of adulthood.” Of course, Kevin
>> can speak for himself but that is how I read him.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, if this is a place for partisan politics then I
>> plan to begin an Obama-Biden Plagiarism thread. J
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, Kevin, I couldn’t help myself. I don’t claim to be an adult.
>>
>>
>>
>> George Butterfield
>>
>> Legal Reference Librarian
>>
>> Creighton Univ. School of Law Library
>>
>> 2500 California Plaza
>>
>> Omaha, NE 68178
>>
>> Office phone: 402-280-2243
>>
>> Fax: 402-280-2244
>>
>> email: GeorgeButterfield@creighton.edu
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu]
>> On Behalf Of Jim Milles
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 9:24 AM
>> To: Kevin Shelton
>> Cc: law-lib@ucdavis.edu
>> Subject: [LAW-LIB:56559] RE: Sarah Palin and Libraries
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't understand that comment at all. How is politics
>> incompatible with adulthood?
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Kevin Shelton <Kevin.Shelton@hofstra.edu
>> > wrote:
>>
>> While it may be impossible to declare any unmoderated listserv a
>> "politics-free zone", it is an admirable desideratum to try to keep
>> this
>> one so, in my opinion. Perhaps that is one measure of adulthood?
>>
>>
>> Kevin Shelton
>>
>> Reference Librarian
>> Barbara and Maurice A. Deane Law Library
>> Hofstra University School of Law
>> 122 Hofstra University
>> Hempstead, New York 11549-1220
>> Telephone: (516) 463-6150
>> Fax: (516) 463-5129
>> E-mail: lawkbs@hofstra.edu
>>
>>
>> >>> "Jim Milles" <jgmilles@buffalo.edu> 9/4/2008 5:09 PM >>>
>> *sigh*
>>
>> This "issue" comes up every election year...
>>
>> We're all professionals here, and we're all adults. We may disagree,
>> but
>> over the years we've generally disagreed in a civil fashion.
>> Politics
>> is
>> important, and this election in particular presents a very clear
>> choice--if
>> you don't think so, no matter which side you come down on, you
>> haven't
>> been
>> paying attention. Trying to declare this listserv a politics-free
>> zone
>> is
>> both pointless and misguided.
>>
>> Jim Milles
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Stephanie Huthmacher
>> <shuthmacher@lglaw.com>wrote:
>>
>> > Spoken like a true member of the legal profession…
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I, too, am a legal librarian. I find the banning of books
>> repulsive
>> and
>> > any intrusion into ones personal library records abhorrent.
>> >
>> > Perhaps if parents were to talk to their children, or pop their
>> heads
>> into
>> > their rooms once in a while, they could get an idea on what the
>> kids
>> are
>> > doing, rather than relying on the librarian to monitor behavior.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If you don't like a book, don't read it – if you don't like a
>> movie, don't
>> > watch it. No one holds a gun to anyone's heading forcing them to
>> do
>> > anything they find offensive. Time to take responsibility for your
>> own
>> > actions without impinging on the rights of others…
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Stephanie N. Huthmacher, MLS
>> >
>> > 42 Delaware Avenue, Suite 120
>> >
>> > Buffalo, New York 14202-3924
>> >
>> > Phone: 716.849.1333 ext. 330
>> >
>> > Fax: 716.855.1580
>> >
>> > E-mail: shuthmacher@lglaw.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > *From:* owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-
>> lib@ucdavis.edu]
>> *On
>> > Behalf Of *Frye, Nanna
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:42 PM
>> > *To:* Library; law-lib@ucdavis.edu
>> > *Subject:* [LAW-LIB:56539] RE: Sarah Palin and Libraries
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Ah, but you did inject partisan politics into it, Paula, by the
>> manner
>> > in which you related these facts. Is anyone in doubt as to your
>> position on
>> > Sarah Palin after reading your posting? You certainly did not
>> supply
>> both
>> > sides of the story. Reasonable minds could differ on the
>> legislation
>> you
>> > mentioned below on whether parents could learn about the books
>> their
>> > children are borrowing from a library. If your teenage child has
>> been moody
>> > and you discover a library book on suicide in the teenager's room,
>> shouldn't
>> > you be able to find out if the child had borrowed other books on
>> suicide?
>> > Many would say "yes." Was the censoring a blanket act that applied
>> to
>> > adults and children or just to children? Are we talking about
>> literary
>> > books or titillating junk novellas that Palin wanted to censor?
>> Again, we
>> > don't have both sides of the story. After many, many years of
>> working for a
>> > court, it is very rare when there are not two sides to a story.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I will reserve judgment until I have ALL of the facts. I would
>> prefer
>> > that we avoid political postings on law-lib about the presidential
>> election
>> > even if they do allegedly deal with "library topics."
>> >
>> > Nanna Frye, Law Librarian
>> > Court of Appeal
>> > San Diego, CA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------
>> >
>> > *From:* owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-
>> lib@ucdavis.edu]
>> *On
>> > Behalf Of *Library
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:54 AM
>> > *To:* law-lib@ucdavis.edu
>> > *Subject:* [LAW-LIB:56536] Sarah Palin and Libraries
>> >
>> > I know this isn't the place for partisan politics and I'm not going
>> to
>> > discuss what I think of Sarah Palin's positions on abortion or
>> foreign
>> > policy or whether polar bears belong on the Endangered Species Act.
>> But she
>> > did try to censor books in the Wasilla Public Library and she did
>> try
>> to
>> > fire the librarian for not agreeing to do so. And she did support a
>> bill in
>> > the legislature that would have forced librarians to tell parents
>> what books
>> > their children had checked out of the library.
>> >
>> > I thought, as librarians, you might want to know her position on
>> libraries
>> > and censorship.
>> > There is a well documented anti-Palin librarian's web site that
>> discusses
>> > this. issues:http://librariansagainstpalin.wordpress.com/
>> >
>> > Paula Lichtenberg, Librarian
>> > Keker & Van Nest LLP, San Francisco
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jim Milles
>> Vice Dean for Legal Information Services and Director of the Law
>> Library
>> Professor of Law
>> University at Buffalo Law School
>> 208 O'Brian Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
>> (716) 645-2089, jgmilles@buffalo.edu
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>> http://www.retaggr.com/Card/jmilles
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jim Milles
>> Vice Dean for Legal Information Services and Director of the Law
>> Library
>> Professor of Law
>> University at Buffalo Law School
>> 208 O'Brian Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260
>> (716) 645-2089, jgmilles@buffalo.edu
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>> http://www.retaggr.com/Card/jmilles
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