RE: Friday musings: Law-lib as Blog

From: David P. Dillard (jwne@temple.edu)
Date: Sun Oct 23 2005 - 20:23:33 PDT


In regards to OCLC Worldcat, there are indeed many areas of the country, I
suspect where the public libraries do not provide access to this database.
Hence in these areas there are probably quite a few law librarians who
neither have this access from the database group provided by their
employer or in the public library system on their area.

For any who may not realize this, there is a Google search feature that
will provide some help in this matter for the local location of copies of
monographs and journal titles that they are seeking for at least some of
those titles. To most easily activate this feature, search this phrase
"find in a library" in a boolean "and" search with the title of the book
also in quotes.

Consider this book title as an example:

Freedom of information and the right to know : the origins and
applications of the Freedom of Information Act
by Herbert N Foerstel
Type: English : Book : Non-fiction
Publisher: Westport, Conn. : Greenwood Press, 1999.
ISBN: 0313285462

Consider this search in Google that was aimed at finding some titles like
this one using this search.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 690 for "Freedom of Information" and "find in
a library".

Here is the Google entry in the Google search results for this title:

Find in a Library: Freedom of information and the right to know ...Freedom
of information and the right to know : the origins and applications of the
Freedom of Information Act. By:, Herbert N Foerstel ...
<http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/isbn/0313285462>

and here is the result that WorldCat found for the searched zip code, that
of Temple University for this book's library locations.

Results 1 - 10 out of 10 for Local

1. TEMPLE UNIV
Library informationServices: Ask a librarian PHILADELPHIA, PA 19122 < 1
mile

2. UNIV OF PENNSYLVANIA, LAW LIBR
Library information PHILADELPHIA, PA 19104 5 miles

3. University of Pennsylvania
Library information Philadelphia, PA 19104 5 miles

4. Bryn Mawr College
Library information Bryn Mawr, PA 19010 11 miles

5. VILLANOVA UNIV
Library information VILLANOVA, PA 19085 12 miles

6. CABRINI COL LIBR
Library information RADNOR, PA 19087 13 miles

7. UNIV OF DELAWARE
Library information NEWARK, DE 19717 36 miles

8. LEHIGH UNIV
Library information BETHLEHEM, PA 18015 44 miles

9. Richard Stockton College of New Jersey
Library information Pomona, NJ 08240 46 miles

10. RUTGERS UNIV
Library information NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ 08901 50 miles

These location options are now provided for those conducting this type of
Google search in the WorldCat derived results.

Choose Proximity:

Local | State/Province | Regional | Worldwide

But the searching of WorldCat is not enabled for the non-subscriber group
for doing a topical search in WorldCat to find a list of books responding
to a topical search need for publications on one or another topic.

Perhaps the RLG tool, RedLightGreen, for those who have not been made
aware of this, could be used as a freely available web tool for those
without WorldCat or RLG Bibliographic file access, with the
Google/Worldcat collaboration waiting in the wings to locate libraries
owning the titles found in a RedLightGreen or Google Print search.

RedLightGreen
<http://www.redlightgreen.com/ucwprod/servlet/
ucw.servlets.UCWController?USERID=anonymous&PASSWORD
=------&ACTION=logon&SRCHPATH=3&referrer=>

but not to worry as

http://www.redlightgreen.com/

will get the web user to this resource.

The same simple minded search of mine used in Google, freedom of
information, also works in RedLightGreen and produces:

Viewing: 1-20 of 420 results

Here is a sample of the titles:

1. Freedom And Equality Of Access To Information A Report To The American
Library Association, by American Library Association Commission On Freedom
And Equality Of Access To Information
3 editions published in 1986 in English.
Primary Subject: Libraries And Readers

2. Advanced Freedom Of Information Act Seminar
2 editions published in 1984 in English.
Primary Subject: Freedom Of Information - United States

3. Mexico
112 editions published between 1846 and 2004 in 5 languages.
Primary Subject: Mexico - Emigration And Immigration

4. Freedom Of Information
12 editions published between 1950 and 2001 in English.
Primary Subject: Freedom Of Information - Australia

5. Mans Right To Knowledge And The Free Use Thereof, by Mark Van Doren
1 edition published in 1954 in English.
Primary Subject: Freedom Of Information

6. Freedom Of Information Act Guide Privacy Act Overview
9 editions published between 1992 and 2000 in English.
Primary Subject: Freedom Of Information - United States

7. Freedom Of Information And The Right To Know The Origins And
Applications Of The Freedom Of Information Act, by Herbert N Foerstel
1 edition published in 1999 in English.
Primary Subject: Government Information - United States

8. Freedom Of Information A Compilation Of State Laws
1 edition published in 1978 in English.
Primary Subject: Freedom Of Information - United States - States

9. Peoples Right To Know Media Democracy And The Information Highway
1 edition published in 1994 in English.
Primary Subject: Mass Media

10. Freedom Of Information Act For Attorneys And Access Professionals
7 editions published between 1984 and 1989 in English.
Primary Subject: Freedom Of Information - United States

I am NOT sharing this information as a way of advocating this approach
over ILL requests, I am not opposed to any use of discussion group that
helps members benefit from its existence, but this approach, I hope, will
be of assistance to members of this list unaware of these methods, and my
appologies to any who already know these things and find this post a
repetition of knowledge they already possess.

These Net-Gold posts may be of interest in this regard.

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@temple.edu>
Date: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:54 pm
Subject: DATABASES: BOOKS MONOGRAPHS AND LIBRARY CATALOGED MATERIALS:
WorldCat
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/8938>

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: INTERNET: SEARCH: MEDIA SPECIFIC TOOLS AND RESOURCES: Taking
              an Opportunity to Tie Together the Pieces from Google Print and
              Google Scholar
Comments: To: Net-Gold <Net-Gold@yahoogroups.com>,
<http://snipurl.com/iwxd>

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: LAW PERIODICALS : LAW PRACTICE : MILITARY: SERVICE AND DUTY:
              *GPSOLO*
Comments: To: Net-Gold <Net-Gold@yahoogroups.com>
<http://snipurl.com/iwxg>

Sender: Net Gold Listserv List <NET-GOLD@LISTSERV.TEMPLE.EDU>
From: Linda Brousseau <BradLin000@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: LIBRARY: CATALOGING AND CLASSIFICATION: Cataloging
              Library Books
Comments: To: Net-Gold@yahoogroups.com
<http://snipurl.com/iwxi>

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: TRANSPORTATION: PUBLIC URBAN AND PASSENGER : CRIMINAL
              JUSTICE: SECURITY AND SURVEILLANCE: Using Databases
              Available on the Internet to Find a Literature About
              Cameras on Buses
Comments: To: Net-Gold <Net-Gold@yahoogroups.com>,
<http://snipurl.com/iwxk>

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: BIOMECHANICS: RESOURCES : DATABASES: MEDICAL HEALTH
              BIOSCIENCES BIOLOGY PSYCHOLOGY: Databases and Research
              Guides for the Field of Biomechanics
Comments: To: Net-Gold <Net-Gold@yahoogroups.com>,
<http://snipurl.com/iwxl>

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: EDUCATION: RESOURCE:RESEARCH: LIBRARIES: INTERNET:
              RedLightGreen.com
Comments to: Net-Gold <net-gold@googlegroups.com>
<http://snipurl.com/iwxn>

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU>
Subject: Thanks to Linda Bee for the Post About RedLightGreen : Here
              is More
Comments: To: Net-Gold <Net-Gold@yahoogroups.com>
<http://snipurl.com/iwxs>

From: Linda Brousseau <BradLin000@AOL.COM>
Subject: EDUCATION: RESOURCE:RESEARCH: LIBRARIES: INTERNET:
              RedLightGreen.com
Comments: To: Net-Gold@yahoogroups.com
<http://snipurl.com/iwxt>

This recent Net-Gold post may also be of interest to some members of this
discussion group.

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@temple.edu>
Date: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:09 am
Subject: DATABASES: MEDICAL HEALTH BIOSCIENCES BIOLOGY PSYCHOLOGY :
DICTIONARIES: SUBJECT MEDICAL HEALTH AND BIOLOGICAL SCIENCES: Dorland's
Illustrated Medical Dictionary Definitions Now Available Via EMBASE
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/8992>

and this one as well:

From: "David P. Dillard" <jwne@temple.edu>
Date: Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:31 am
Subject: EDUCATION: K-12: CURRICULUM: : EDUCATION: K-12: SEX EDUCATION:
Sex Education Curriculum in Elementary and Secondary Education: Some
Selected Publication Citations
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/8971>

Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/net-gold>
<http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/ringleaders/davidd.html>
<http://www.kovacs.com/medref-l/medref-l.html>
<http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/net-gold.html>
<http://www.LIFEofFlorida.org>
Digital Divide Network
<http://www.digitaldivide.net/profile/jwne>

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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005, Donna Fisher wrote:

> You might have access to OCLC Worldcat through your local library's
> electronic databases. That's how I access it.

> Donna M. Fisher
> Law Librarian
> Senniger Powers
> 1 Metropolitan Sq. 16th Fl.
> St. Louis MO 63102
> 314-231-5400 x388
> 314-231-4342 FAX
> Dfisher@senniger.com

================================================

> >>> "Katy Gill" <kgill@co.collin.tx.us> 10/17/05 11:28AM >>>
> I take exception to this as a newer law librarian (class of 2001) and a
> relatively young person (I've never been comfortable with labels like
> Generation X/Y).

> Just because we are of a younger generation, does not mean that we are
> lazy or that we do not value the community of law librarians as a
> resource. On the contrary, I think that when newer/younger librarians
> turn to Law-lib even for something as simple as ILL, it is a positive
> means of reaching out to the members of our profession.

> And yes, they did teach me about ILL and OCLC in library school.
> Unfortunately, as Claire pointed out, not everyone's library budget
> allows them to subscribe to services like OCLC, particularly when ILL is
> needed by that library very infrequently.

> It is true that many librarians use Law-lib as a tool for ILL. I agree
> that it would be helpful for folks who do so to include the resources
> they have already checked before posting. This lets responders know if
> their suggestion has already been tried. It also educates others who
> read this list about research strategies they might not have thought of.
> I try to read as many posts as I can on this listserv because it helps
> me to learn about new resources and other approaches to research
> questions.

> As far as "my generation's" lack of interest in networking, I think that
> many newer (and younger) law librarians take advantage of the networking
> and educational resources available to them. I attended my first AALL
> this year, and met many other young law librarians there. I am also
> active in my local chapter, and there are several newer/younger law
> librarians among our membership who are very active in our library
> community, serving on committees as well as on our executive board.

> I have also had excellent mentors throughout my law librarianship
> experience. In library school, my law librarianship professor took me
> to my first law library conference and taught me the value of networking
> with other information professionals. As an intern in a law firm
> library, the librarians there encouraged me to participate in my local
> AALL chapter and helped me to join a committee. As an active member of
> my chapter, I received help from other librarians in my community who
> answered my questions and offered advice. One of them even helped me
> with my interview skills, which helped me to land my first professional
> position. Now, as a professional law librarian, I work with and receive
> guidance from a veteran law librarian.

> For those newer/younger librarians out there who have not been blessed
> with these kinds of mentors, Law-lib serves as a surrogate mentor
> providing advice, guidance, and even assistance via ILL to those who
> need it.

> P.S. - And although I have been out of the gate for four years now, I
> still learn something new about my job each and every day. I don't
> think that will ever change, no matter what age I reach.

Katy Gill
Assistant Law Librarian
Collin County Law Library
210 S. McDonald St., Suite 203
McKinney, TX 75069
> 972-548-4260
> 972-547-5734 fax

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu] On
> Behalf Of Curcigonzalez, Lucy
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 5:25 PM
> To: Laura Orr; law lib
> Subject: RE: Friday musings: Law-lib as Blog

> But many of our newer law librarians are not building that network over
> time relying on our good nature and generosity over the Internet.. Gen
> X & Y don't seem to think networking or verifying are necessary and
> beneficial. Look at the average age the next AALL or chapter meeting
> you attend. Who's there learning from colleagues, friends and vendors?
> And it still drives me crazy why expose your novice status to the world
> when that's why we seek mentors and develop and nurture relationships
> with colleagues.

> just my 2 cents on a rainy Friday evening.

> Lucy Curci-Gonzalez / Director of Library Services
> Kenyon & Kenyon
> One Broadway
> New York, NY 10004-1050
> Telephone 1.212.425.7200 Direct 1.212.908.6122
> Fax 1.212.425.5288 Direct 1.212.908.6113
> E-mail mailto:lcurcigonzalez@kenyon.com
> Website www.kenyon.com <http://www.kenyon.com/>

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