LLAGNY has had educational programming at Legal Tech in
New York in recent years . West was generous in
sponsoring these efforts. The programs were free to
law librarians and included access to the exhibit hall.
These were peer-to-peer meetings for the most part, not
specifically part of the official program of Legal
Tech.
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Kirkland & Ellis LLP
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"Lyn
Warmath"
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5 09:54 Subject
AM Re: Scott Fisher's
Suggestion: Law
Librarians' Involvement
in Legal Tech
I believe Scott Fisher is onto something very important
here. Scott suggests a forum that is ready-made for us
to showcase our skills and strut our stuff to the very
audiences that could benefit us and our institutions
most. I believe we are missing huge opportunities if
we do not pursue his excellent suggestion (I wish I had
thought of it) to ally ourselves with Legal Tech's
established program.
Where do we go from here? Which AALL committee,
subcommittee, special interest section, caucus or group
is best suited to pursue this idea and perhaps consider
making such an effort an on-going, annual collaboration
with Legal Tech?
Lyn Warmath
Hirschler Fleischer
701 East Byrd Street
Richmond, Virginia 23219
Phone: 804 771-5605
Fax: 804 644-0957
E-mail: lwarmath@hf-law.com
From: bounce-pll-sis-29473@aallnet.org
[mailto:bounce-pll-sis-29473@aallnet.org] On Behalf Of
Fisher, Scott
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:04 PM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
Cc: bounce-pll-sis-29486@aallnet.org
Subject: [pll-sis] Re: [BULK] - RE: Excellent idea from
Kaye
Colleagues and Friends:
I have been reading, with interest, the e-mail postings
about this all day and, I guess, it's my turn to add my
two cents. I, generally, agree with all that's been
said on both sides of this issue. Of course, we want
and need more exposure as a profession. We want to
make our administrators see our individual worth to the
firm. However, in order to provide avenues with which
to showcase our library's services, and our individual
skills and abilities, I don't think a lunch with you
and your administrator is going to shed much new light
on our profession or what law librarians are doing and
capable of doing for the firm. It wouldn't hurt but, I
don't know think it will do all that much in the long
run.
In my opinion, our administrators need to see us in a
new way, in a professional environment "outside" of our
libraries and the office environment. Perhaps, a joint
program between your local law library organization and
your administrator's professional organization or
asking a vendor to sponsor a round-table discussion
that would involve the two of you with your colleagues
from other area law firms discussing issues of interest
to both professions. An open discussion between the
two professions could be very positive - particularly,
if it can hit on topics of interest to both - like, for
example, the dreaded cost recovery of Lexis/Westlaw
expenses issue that so many of us have to deal with.
It's particularly frustrating to see the opportunities
that are missed.
For example, just this week, I received a preliminary
program for Legal Tech in NY at the end of this month.
I realize, of course, that the intent of Legal Tech is
not for law librarians but, specifically, to display
emerging legal technology to the legal market. But,
aren't we a part of that, too? Weren't we grappling
with technology issues in our law firm libraries (and,
don't we now?) long before attorneys had pcs on their
desks? Having attended several Legal Tech meetings in
the past, I can tell you that many of the firms'
administrators do attend, as do as the firms'
attorneys. If you take a look at the brochure for
Legal Tech, there are several planned programs that
touch on things that many of us are already involved in
at work - knowledge management, portals, client
development, etc. In my opinion, what is missing from
Legal Tech is us! There should be, in that program of
meetings at Legal Tech, a library and legal research
technology track of programs with law librarians
speaking on, and teaching these topics to the
administrators, attorneys, and technology gurus that
attend Legal Tech. After all, the foundation of what
attorneys do in representing their clients begins with
legal research. And, what a great place to get the
attention of the CEO, CIO, and attorneys of your firm.
By the way, take a look at the sponsoring vendors of
Legal Tech. Two of the vendors that the law librarian
profession works most closely with are conference
sponsors of Legal Tech this year - LexisNexis and
Thomson West!
These are just my thoughts...thanks for reading.
Scott
Scott L. Fisher
Director of Library Services
WILENTZ GOLDMAN & SPITZER P.A.
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Woodbridge, NJ 07095
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-----Original Message-----
From: Martha A. Goldman
[mailto:magoldman@JonesDay.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:06 PM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
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Libraries SIS
Subject: [pll-sis] Re: [BULK] - RE: Excellent
idea from Kaye
Similarly to Bennie, I didn't think I would
comment, but he succinctly said what I had been
thinking on all points. It is the underlying
issues that are at the crux of the matter.
Regards, Martha
Martha Goldman
Library Services and Records Manager
Jones Day
222 East 41st Street, 4th floor
New York, NY 10017
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fax: 212-755-7306
e-mail: magoldman@jonesday.com
"Braxton, Bennie A."
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01/06/2005 02:58 PM
Please respond to
"Braxton, Bennie A."
I guess I can chime in here. I didn't want to go
out on a limb with so many of my colleagues in
favor of this idea.
If nothing else, this dialog highlights the need
to improve relations with the powers-to-be, which
may not necessarily be the administrator, or any
one person for that matter. We need to be heard,
appreciated, and supported for our work. Let's
ask ourselves: Whose picking up the tab for this
extra lunch? What can you say, while having
lunch with an administrator, that will benefit
the library? Couldn't you better emphasize, what
you do, what you need, what you see in the future
for your library, in a carefully crafted memo?
And, shouldn't the administrator be taking you to
lunch.
I think we are all correct in that new and
creative ways of selling our services to the firm
are needed. I seriously doubt any measurable
benefit will come to the library by taking an
administrator to lunch. Inviting an
administrator to sit down with you and review
day-to-day issues with staffing, budgeting,
downsizing and the overwhelming administrative
responsibilities most of us incur will get you
closer to the Management Committee, which in most
cases, will have to approve any new ideas anyway.
This is not a new issue, but is heart felt by us
all. We recognize the need is there and are
somehow searching to find a way to show the value
of our daily efforts. Kaye is to be commended
for wanting to take action.
In my humble opinion, it is not the way to
proceed; besides, I already eat to much.
Best,
Bennie Braxton, Librarian
Sughrue Mion, PLLC.
Washington, D.C.
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[mailto:bounce-pll-sis-28756@aallnet.org] On
Behalf Of Small, Emilie
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:17 PM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
Subject: [pll-sis] RE: Excellent idea from Kaye
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Dear Colleagues,
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade,
but I am against this trend of making special
days to take administration and bosses out. If
anything, it should the other way around.
Appreciation days were originally for people who
are on the bottom rung, a way for administration
and bosses to show appreciation to staff.
Besides, I can go out to lunch with my
administrator at any time to discuss library
matters, and I don't need another special day to
use up my personal time. I agree with Paula
Lichtenberg and Rich LaSasso, we don't need a
special day to take our administrator out to
lunch.
Sincerely,
Emilie Small (Chadbourne & Parke, LA)
-----Original Message-----
From: Sue Johnson [mailto:SJohnson@CCSB.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:10 AM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
Subject: [pll-sis] Excellent idea from Kaye
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Happy New Year, Board,
Kaye Waelde has suggested initiating a "Take Your
Administrator to Lunch" day, perhaps named for a
well known and respected private law librarian. I
think this a great idea, and good PR for all firm
librarians. What are your opinions, and do you
have any suggestions on "naming rights"? This
project would not require a coordinator, would be
strictly voluntary, but would perhaps raise our
status and foster better relations with our CEOs.
We could post the idea on the listserv, put
something in PLL Perspectives, ask the Public
Relations Committee for suggestions on
publicizing, etc. If you approve, it would be
good to get this started as soon as possible
(spring or early summer).
As always, I value your feedback and if you have
any ideas on anything else that would enhance the
PLL-SIS, please send them my way.
Thank you, everyone, for your participation and
assistance!
Best regards,
Sue
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