PLL should run with this; we're the obvious beneficiaries. The
librarians who have gone to Legal Tech are the logical choice to take
the lead on this - Scott?
Chris Graesser
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From: Lyn Warmath [mailto:lwarmath@hf-law.com]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 9:55 AM
To: Fisher, Scott; Private Law Libraries SIS;
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Subject: Re: Scott Fisher's Suggestion: Law Librarians'
Involvement in Legal Tech
I believe Scott Fisher is onto something very important here.
Scott suggests a forum that is ready-made for us to showcase our skills
and strut our stuff to the very audiences that could benefit us and our
institutions most. I believe we are missing huge opportunities if we do
not pursue his excellent suggestion (I wish I had thought of it) to ally
ourselves with Legal Tech's established program.
Where do we go from here? Which AALL committee, subcommittee,
special interest section, caucus or group is best suited to pursue this
idea and perhaps consider making such an effort an on-going, annual
collaboration with Legal Tech?
Lyn Warmath
Hirschler Fleischer
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Richmond, Virginia 23219
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[mailto:bounce-pll-sis-29473@aallnet.org] On Behalf Of Fisher, Scott
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:04 PM
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Subject: [pll-sis] Re: [BULK] - RE: Excellent idea from Kaye
Colleagues and Friends:
I have been reading, with interest, the e-mail postings about
this all day and, I guess, it's my turn to add my two cents. I,
generally, agree with all that's been said on both sides of this issue.
Of course, we want and need more exposure as a profession. We want to
make our administrators see our individual worth to the firm. However,
in order to provide avenues with which to showcase our library's
services, and our individual skills and abilities, I don't think a lunch
with you and your administrator is going to shed much new light on our
profession or what law librarians are doing and capable of doing for the
firm. It wouldn't hurt but, I don't know think it will do all that much
in the long run.
In my opinion, our administrators need to see us in a new way,
in a professional environment "outside" of our libraries and the office
environment. Perhaps, a joint program between your local law library
organization and your administrator's professional organization or
asking a vendor to sponsor a round-table discussion that would involve
the two of you with your colleagues from other area law firms discussing
issues of interest to both professions. An open discussion between the
two professions could be very positive - particularly, if it can hit on
topics of interest to both - like, for example, the dreaded cost
recovery of Lexis/Westlaw expenses issue that so many of us have to deal
with. It's particularly frustrating to see the opportunities that are
missed.
For example, just this week, I received a preliminary program
for Legal Tech in NY at the end of this month. I realize, of course,
that the intent of Legal Tech is not for law librarians but,
specifically, to display emerging legal technology to the legal market.
But, aren't we a part of that, too? Weren't we grappling with
technology issues in our law firm libraries (and, don't we now?) long
before attorneys had pcs on their desks? Having attended several Legal
Tech meetings in the past, I can tell you that many of the firms'
administrators do attend, as do as the firms' attorneys. If you take a
look at the brochure for Legal Tech, there are several planned programs
that touch on things that many of us are already involved in at work -
knowledge management, portals, client development, etc. In my opinion,
what is missing from Legal Tech is us! There should be, in that program
of meetings at Legal Tech, a library and legal research technology track
of programs with law librarians speaking on, and teaching these topics
to the administrators, attorneys, and technology gurus that attend Legal
Tech. After all, the foundation of what attorneys do in representing
their clients begins with legal research. And, what a great place to
get the attention of the CEO, CIO, and attorneys of your firm. By the
way, take a look at the sponsoring vendors of Legal Tech. Two of the
vendors that the law librarian profession works most closely with are
conference sponsors of Legal Tech this year - LexisNexis and Thomson
West!
These are just my thoughts...thanks for reading.
Scott
Scott L. Fisher
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From: Martha A. Goldman [mailto:magoldman@JonesDay.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:06 PM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
Cc: bounce-pll-sis-29486@aallnet.org; Private Law
Libraries SIS
Subject: [pll-sis] Re: [BULK] - RE: Excellent idea from
Kaye
Similarly to Bennie, I didn't think I would comment, but
he succinctly said what I had been thinking on all points. It is the
underlying issues that are at the crux of the matter. Regards, Martha
Martha Goldman
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Jones Day
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Subject: [BULK] - [pll-sis] RE: Excellent idea from Kaye
?Spam?
I guess I can chime in here. I didn't want to go out on
a limb with so many of my colleagues in favor of this idea.
If nothing else, this dialog highlights the need to
improve relations with the powers-to-be, which may not necessarily be
the administrator, or any one person for that matter. We need to be
heard, appreciated, and supported for our work. Let's ask ourselves:
Whose picking up the tab for this extra lunch? What can you say, while
having lunch with an administrator, that will benefit the library?
Couldn't you better emphasize, what you do, what you need, what you see
in the future for your library, in a carefully crafted memo? And,
shouldn't the administrator be taking you to lunch.
I think we are all correct in that new and creative ways
of selling our services to the firm are needed. I seriously doubt any
measurable benefit will come to the library by taking an administrator
to lunch. Inviting an administrator to sit down with you and review
day-to-day issues with staffing, budgeting, downsizing and the
overwhelming administrative responsibilities most of us incur will get
you closer to the Management Committee, which in most cases, will have
to approve any new ideas anyway.
This is not a new issue, but is heart felt by us all.
We recognize the need is there and are somehow searching to find a way
to show the value of our daily efforts. Kaye is to be commended for
wanting to take action.
In my humble opinion, it is not the way to proceed;
besides, I already eat to much.
Best,
Bennie Braxton, Librarian
Sughrue Mion, PLLC.
Washington, D.C.
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[mailto:bounce-pll-sis-28756@aallnet.org] On Behalf Of Small, Emilie
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:17 PM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
Subject: [pll-sis] RE: Excellent idea from Kaye ?Spam?
Dear Colleagues,
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I
am against this trend of making special days to take administration and
bosses out. If anything, it should the other way around. Appreciation
days were originally for people who are on the bottom rung, a way for
administration and bosses to show appreciation to staff. Besides, I
can go out to lunch with my administrator at any time to discuss library
matters, and I don't need another special day to use up my personal
time. I agree with Paula Lichtenberg and Rich LaSasso, we don't need a
special day to take our administrator out to lunch.
Sincerely,
Emilie Small (Chadbourne & Parke, LA)
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From: Sue Johnson [mailto:SJohnson@CCSB.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:10 AM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
Subject: [pll-sis] Excellent idea from Kaye ?Spam?
Happy New Year, Board,
Kaye Waelde has suggested initiating a "Take Your
Administrator to Lunch" day, perhaps named for a well known and
respected private law librarian. I think this a great idea, and good PR
for all firm librarians. What are your opinions, and do you have any
suggestions on "naming rights"? This project would not require a
coordinator, would be strictly voluntary, but would perhaps raise our
status and foster better relations with our CEOs. We could post the
idea on the listserv, put something in PLL Perspectives, ask the Public
Relations Committee for suggestions on publicizing, etc. If you
approve, it would be good to get this started as soon as possible
(spring or early summer).
As always, I value your feedback and if you have any
ideas on anything else that would enhance the PLL-SIS, please send them
my way.
Thank you, everyone, for your participation and
assistance!
Best regards,
Sue
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