I believe Scott Fisher is onto something very important here. Scott
suggests a forum that is ready-made for us to showcase our skills and
strut our stuff to the very audiences that could benefit us and our
institutions most. I believe we are missing huge opportunities if we do
not pursue his excellent suggestion (I wish I had thought of it) to ally
ourselves with Legal Tech's established program.
Where do we go from here? Which AALL committee, subcommittee, special
interest section, caucus or group is best suited to pursue this idea and
perhaps consider making such an effort an on-going, annual collaboration
with Legal Tech?
Lyn Warmath
Hirschler Fleischer
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[mailto:bounce-pll-sis-29473@aallnet.org] On Behalf Of Fisher, Scott
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 5:04 PM
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Subject: [pll-sis] Re: [BULK] - RE: Excellent idea from Kaye
Colleagues and Friends:
I have been reading, with interest, the e-mail postings about this all
day and, I guess, it's my turn to add my two cents. I, generally, agree
with all that's been said on both sides of this issue. Of course, we
want and need more exposure as a profession. We want to make our
administrators see our individual worth to the firm. However, in order
to provide avenues with which to showcase our library's services, and
our individual skills and abilities, I don't think a lunch with you and
your administrator is going to shed much new light on our profession or
what law librarians are doing and capable of doing for the firm. It
wouldn't hurt but, I don't know think it will do all that much in the
long run.
In my opinion, our administrators need to see us in a new way, in a
professional environment "outside" of our libraries and the office
environment. Perhaps, a joint program between your local law library
organization and your administrator's professional organization or
asking a vendor to sponsor a round-table discussion that would involve
the two of you with your colleagues from other area law firms discussing
issues of interest to both professions. An open discussion between the
two professions could be very positive - particularly, if it can hit on
topics of interest to both - like, for example, the dreaded cost
recovery of Lexis/Westlaw expenses issue that so many of us have to deal
with. It's particularly frustrating to see the opportunities that are
missed.
For example, just this week, I received a preliminary program for Legal
Tech in NY at the end of this month. I realize, of course, that the
intent of Legal Tech is not for law librarians but, specifically, to
display emerging legal technology to the legal market. But, aren't we a
part of that, too? Weren't we grappling with technology issues in our
law firm libraries (and, don't we now?) long before attorneys had pcs on
their desks? Having attended several Legal Tech meetings in the past, I
can tell you that many of the firms' administrators do attend, as do as
the firms' attorneys. If you take a look at the brochure for Legal
Tech, there are several planned programs that touch on things that many
of us are already involved in at work - knowledge management, portals,
client development, etc. In my opinion, what is missing from Legal Tech
is us! There should be, in that program of meetings at Legal Tech, a
library and legal research technology track of programs with law
librarians speaking on, and teaching these topics to the administrators,
attorneys, and technology gurus that attend Legal Tech. After all, the
foundation of what attorneys do in representing their clients begins
with legal research. And, what a great place to get the attention of
the CEO, CIO, and attorneys of your firm. By the way, take a look at
the sponsoring vendors of Legal Tech. Two of the vendors that the law
librarian profession works most closely with are conference sponsors of
Legal Tech this year - LexisNexis and Thomson West!
These are just my thoughts...thanks for reading.
Scott
Scott L. Fisher
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From: Martha A. Goldman [mailto:magoldman@JonesDay.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 3:06 PM
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Subject: [pll-sis] Re: [BULK] - RE: Excellent idea from Kaye
Similarly to Bennie, I didn't think I would comment, but he
succinctly said what I had been thinking on all points. It is the
underlying issues that are at the crux of the matter. Regards, Martha
Martha Goldman
Library Services and Records Manager
Jones Day
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Subject: [BULK] - [pll-sis] RE: Excellent idea from Kaye
?Spam?
I guess I can chime in here. I didn't want to go out on a limb
with so many of my colleagues in favor of this idea.
If nothing else, this dialog highlights the need to improve
relations with the powers-to-be, which may not necessarily be the
administrator, or any one person for that matter. We need to be heard,
appreciated, and supported for our work. Let's ask ourselves: Whose
picking up the tab for this extra lunch? What can you say, while having
lunch with an administrator, that will benefit the library? Couldn't
you better emphasize, what you do, what you need, what you see in the
future for your library, in a carefully crafted memo? And, shouldn't
the administrator be taking you to lunch.
I think we are all correct in that new and creative ways of
selling our services to the firm are needed. I seriously doubt any
measurable benefit will come to the library by taking an administrator
to lunch. Inviting an administrator to sit down with you and review
day-to-day issues with staffing, budgeting, downsizing and the
overwhelming administrative responsibilities most of us incur will get
you closer to the Management Committee, which in most cases, will have
to approve any new ideas anyway.
This is not a new issue, but is heart felt by us all. We
recognize the need is there and are somehow searching to find a way to
show the value of our daily efforts. Kaye is to be commended for
wanting to take action.
In my humble opinion, it is not the way to proceed; besides, I
already eat to much.
Best,
Bennie Braxton, Librarian
Sughrue Mion, PLLC.
Washington, D.C.
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[mailto:bounce-pll-sis-28756@aallnet.org] On Behalf Of Small, Emilie
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 2:17 PM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
Subject: [pll-sis] RE: Excellent idea from Kaye ?Spam?
Dear Colleagues,
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but I am
against this trend of making special days to take administration and
bosses out. If anything, it should the other way around. Appreciation
days were originally for people who are on the bottom rung, a way for
administration and bosses to show appreciation to staff. Besides, I
can go out to lunch with my administrator at any time to discuss library
matters, and I don't need another special day to use up my personal
time. I agree with Paula Lichtenberg and Rich LaSasso, we don't need a
special day to take our administrator out to lunch.
Sincerely,
Emilie Small (Chadbourne & Parke, LA)
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From: Sue Johnson [mailto:SJohnson@CCSB.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 8:10 AM
To: Private Law Libraries SIS
Subject: [pll-sis] Excellent idea from Kaye ?Spam?
Happy New Year, Board,
Kaye Waelde has suggested initiating a "Take Your Administrator
to Lunch" day, perhaps named for a well known and respected private law
librarian. I think this a great idea, and good PR for all firm
librarians. What are your opinions, and do you have any suggestions on
"naming rights"? This project would not require a coordinator, would be
strictly voluntary, but would perhaps raise our status and foster better
relations with our CEOs. We could post the idea on the listserv, put
something in PLL Perspectives, ask the Public Relations Committee for
suggestions on publicizing, etc. If you approve, it would be good to
get this started as soon as possible (spring or early summer).
As always, I value your feedback and if you have any ideas on
anything else that would enhance the PLL-SIS, please send them my way.
Thank you, everyone, for your participation and assistance!
Best regards,
Sue
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