I think the EE clause is only in context as an add to their faith specifics - not a replacement. Any religiously-based employer is going to have a limited EE clause. It's not hard to figure where; ie. an Islamic institution that clearly states it's faith-based dress code particuarly re: women's attire, would certainly not be totally in line with EE regarding equal treatment of women, although they would follow EE as far as hiring(women). All that is pertinant is that it is stated - as it clearly seems to be below.
For me, as a non-muslim western woman, I would immediately know that job wouldn't be for me. However, there are many Islamic women who would find it an excellent position - What I am attempting to get across is that in the spirit of understanding global diversity of faiths - not just cultures, one should merely quietly pass on the opportunity if that particular position and place does not suit you. `That it would not fit many folks is a given ;-)
Karen
( > From: "Stanley R. Conrad" <conrads@stjohns.edu>
> Date: 2004/07/01 Thu AM 11:06:45 EDT
> To: "Roulston, Wray" <wroulston@gardiner-roberts.com>,
> "Samuel Trosow" <strosow@uwo.ca>, <Law-lib@ucdavis.edu>
> CC: "Kerr, Katie" <Katie.Kerr@pepperdine.edu>
> Subject: RE: Position announcement: Director of the Law Library
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> Placing the sentence
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> "However, sexual conduct outside marriage is inconsistent with the University's religious traditions, values, affiliation, and purpose."
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> directly after the statement denying any intention to discriminate based on sexual orientation is a bit puzzling.
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> Faulkner U. could have added "sexual orientation" to the first, inclusive, non-discrimination sentence -- following THAT by the "however" (so it would clearly appear to apply to all). But they didn't.
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> Makes me wonder.
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> S.
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> Stanley Conrad, JD/MLS
> Reference/Special Collections Librarian
> Rittenberg Law Library
> St. John's University School of Law
> 8000 Utopia Parkway
> Jamaica, NY 11439
> 718-990-2012
> 718-990-6649 (fax)
> conrads@stjohns.edu
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu]On Behalf Of Roulston, Wray
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:09 PM
> To: 'Samuel Trosow'; 'Law-lib@ucdavis.edu'
> Cc: Kerr, Katie
> Subject: RE: Position announcement: Director of the Law Library
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> Guess this crazy gay Canadian had better not apply for this job after all. My opinion only of course. Keep them in line Sam and I hope only those who truly meet all of their qualifications will apply for the post.
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> Wray Roulston
> Librarian
> Gardiner Roberts LLP
> 3100 - Scotia Plaza
> 40 King Street West
> Toronto, Ontario Canada
> M5H 3Y2
> Tel: 416 865-6728
> Fax: 416 865-6636
> Eml: wroulston@gardiner-roberts.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Samuel Trosow [mailto:strosow@uwo.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:57 PM
> To: 'Law-lib@ucdavis.edu'
> Cc: Kerr, Katie
> Subject: Re: Position announcement: Director of the Law Library
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> The last paragraph of this ad is highly contradictory. It says:
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> "Faulkner University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, age, handicap, or disability in connection with its educational policies, admissions, financial aid, employment, education programs, or activities. The university is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer and is interested in receiving applications from persons of each sex and all races and national and ethnic backgrounds. The university does not discriminate against any person on the basis of sexual orientation. However, sexual conduct outside marriage is inconsistent with the University's religious traditions, values, affiliation, and purpose. Therefore, in accordance with ABA Standard 210(e), the School of Law does not knowingly employ individuals who engage in such conduct or encourage it in others. The university also reserves the right to make employment-related decisions which recognize a preference for members of Churches of Christ and other believers in!
Christ who also agree with the purpose and mission of the school."
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> I don't see how the university can claim to be "an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer" given the cavaets that follow. You are either en eo/aa employer or you are not. I don't see how you can have it both ways. And the contradiction between "[t]he university does not discriminate against any person on the basis of sexual orientation." and the language directly following that is even more troubling.
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> We've had this discussion on several occasions on this list, and I am aware of the fact that the university has the right to create its own employment standards. But I am troubled by the attempt to cover this with a claim of eo/aa.
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> Could someone clarify whether this institution intends to conduct interviews at the AALL Conference in Boston?
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> Sam Trosow
> University of Western Ontario
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> Kerr, Katie wrote:
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> Posted for a colleague who is not on the list. Please contact Milton Copeland at Faulkner University directly if you are interested in the position. Thanks - Katie Kerr, Pepperdine University.
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> Director of the Law Library
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> Faulkner University, Thomas Goode Jones School of Law, Montgomery, Alabama, invites applications and nominations for the tenure-track position of Director of the Law Library. A review of applications will continue until the position is filled.
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> An applicant must have the J. D. and M. L. S. degrees from nationally accredited programs and have significant management experience in a law library, preferably a library of a law school approved by the American Bar Association.
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> The Director of the Law Library is the chief administrative officer in the law library, reports directly to the Dean, supervises the professional librarians and other members of the library staff, plans and oversees development of the collection, participates in the budgeting process and oversees the library's expenditures, negotiates reciprocal borrowing agreements with other libraries, participates in professional library associations, stays informed of new technologies and procedures by an ongoing review of professional publications, works with the Director of Development in raising funds for the library, collaborates with University library administrators, and has other responsibilities typical of those of a director of a law school library. As a voting member of the law faculty, the Director of the Law Library teaches, attends faculty meetings, works on faculty committees, and participates in strategic planning and the self-study connected with applying for appr!
oval by the American Bar Association.
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> Jones School of Law was established in Montgomery in 1928, and has been a part of Faulkner University since 1983. Faulkner University is a Christian university supported primarily by members of Churches of Christ. Jones is a dual-division law school, and offers classes in the evenings for part-time students.
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> Graduates of Jones take the Alabama bar examination and practice in the state. However, the University and the law school are preparing to seek approval by the American Bar Association. The Dean is fully informed as to the Standards and Rules of Procedure for the Approval of Law Schools by the American Bar Association. The Administration and the Dean are determined to devote all necessary resources and in other respects to take all necessary steps to present a program of legal education that will qualify for approval by the American Bar Association. Of course, the law school makes no representation that it will be approved by the American Bar Association prior to any specific date.
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> Montgomery, the capital of Alabama, has a metropolitan area with a population of over 300,000 and is the home of Alabama State University, Auburn University Montgomery, Huntingdon College, the Alabama Shakespeare Festival, and the Montgomery Museum of Fine Arts.
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> Faulkner University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, age, handicap, or disability in connection with its educational policies, admissions, financial aid, employment, education programs, or activities. The university is an equal opportunity/affirmative action employer and is interested in receiving applications from persons of each sex and all races and national and ethnic backgrounds. The university does not discriminate against any person on the basis of sexual orientation. However, sexual conduct outside marriage is inconsistent with the University's religious traditions, values, affiliation, and purpose. Therefore, in accordance with ABA Standard 210(e), the School of Law does not knowingly employ individuals who engage in such conduct or encourage it in others. The university also reserves the right to make employment-related decisions which recognize a preference for members of Churches of Christ and other believers in !
Christ who also agree with the purpose and mission of the school.
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> Contact: Milton Copeland, Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, Thomas Goode Jones School of Law, Faulkner University, 5345 Atlanta Highway, Montgomery, Alabama 36109. Telephone: 1-800-879-9816. E-mail: mcopeland@faulkner.edu
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