Penn also provides paper copies via ILL. The only papers that have
caused problems are specific editions, such as the Mayville edition of
the Oshkosh Times (made that up but you get the idea). In those cases
they're always willing to go back to the author.
One of our journals, however, will begin accepting electronic
verification for newspapers this fall. A sign of things to come?
Merle
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pat-court wrote:
> RE: Academic Library Rules on Newspaper ILL
>
> Cornell has the same issues that you describe. We discuss it with the
> editors regularly. However, Cornell Law Review and Cornell
> International Law Journal maintain that their purpose is to cite to a
> solid source that should really not change or become unavailable. The
> best source verification, they maintain, is not always to confirm what
> the author saw but to have the source that the reader can truly find.
> Our law student editors consult with authors on content as well as
> citations and believe in this deep checking. And, of course, when the
> freelancers took their articles out of the databases a couple years
> ago, some articles found by an article author on Lexis/Westlaw are no
> longer "there" electronically. (NYTimes v. Tasini, 533 US 483)
>
> Sometimes, it becomes an interlibrary loan problem if we need too many
> articles in a year from a newspaper we do not own. However, as time
> continues, we will be seeing more opportunities like the ProQuest
> Historical Newspapers service that has electronic access to pdfs of
> major newspapers.
>
> AALL Academic SIS has a subcommittee on academic libraries working
> with their law review staffs. They may have information to share on
> this situation, too. We have a good liaison system here of librarians
> working with the journal staffs, so we will continue to dialog around
> this question. As the nature of authority changes, one day it might
> only matter where it's findable electronically and not the original
> source because that will be what lawyers and researchers know how to
> find and that's what publishers will provide, and this circular
> pattern may spiral down on itself until authority has an entirely new
> construct (alas?).
>
> For now, at Cornell, we're getting those newspaper articles for the
> journals.
>
> Pat Court
> Acting Director
> Cornell Law Library
>
> At 12:19 PM 5/14/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> Fred-
>>
>> We are kicking around the same issue here -- no resolution yet. It's
>> the library's position (i.e., mine really as the head of our ILL
>> operation) that it makes no sense for us to have to track down
>> copies-from-originals when the authors did not use them (a process
>> that is increasing in complexity as consolidators expand their
>> databases by adding more and more obscure, regional, local serials).
>> And it's clear that authors are NOT using the originals.
>>
>> Our journal/review editors are at this point resisting making a
>> change that would permit them to verify the citation/source actually
>> used.
>>
>> I've not tried to compile the statistics, but I suspect a shockingly
>> large percentage of our annual newspaper requests are for the
>> cite-checking of articles whose authors never bothered to track down
>> the originals underling the database (most frequently Lexis-Nexis).
>>
>>
>> Stanley
>>
>> =============================<
>> Stanley Conrad, JD/MLS
>> Reference/Special Collections Librarian
>> Rittenberg Law Library
>> St. John's University School of Law
>> 8000 Utopia Parkway
>> Jamaica, NY 11439
>> 718-990-2012
>> 718-990-6649 (fax)
>> conrads@stjohns.edu
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu [mailto:owner-law-lib@ucdavis.edu]On
>> Behalf Of Fred Shapiro
>> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:35 AM
>> To: Multiple recipients of list
>> Subject: Academic Library Rules on Newspaper ILL
>>
>>
>>
>> Our library is contemplating whether we should have a rule against
>> student
>> journals using interlibrary loan to obtain original copies of newspapers
>> for cite-checking (as opposed to using Nexis like the author of the
>> article undoubtedly did). I would welcome information about other law
>> school libraries that have adopted such a rule.
>>
>> Fred Shapiro
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Fred R. Shapiro Editor
>> Associate Librarian for Collections and YALE DICTIONARY OF
>> QUOTATIONS
>> Access and Lecturer in Legal Research Yale University Press,
>> Yale Law School forthcoming
>> e-mail: fred.shapiro@yale.edu
>> http://quotationdictionary.com
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>>
>
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