----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Hardy" <hardy@dtm.ciw.edu>
To: "GEONET" <geonet@purdue.edu>; "Peter Brueggeman" <pbrueggeman@ucsd.edu>
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [geonet] re: another view on AGU's position on DOI
: As Michael observes, APS has implemented DOIs in its journal production --
: but they have not drastically changed their prescribed citation format, as
: AGU has done. A glace at current APS journals (Physical Review, PRL,
: Reviews of Modern Physics) and the APS guidelines for authors shows that
: papers are still cited in familiar bibliographic notation:
:
: W.T. Geng and A.J. Freeman, Phys. Rev. B 64, 115401 (2001).
:
: The only difference is that a six-digit article number (which applies to
: both the online and print version) now takes the place of the old page number.
:
: Shaun Hardy
:
:
: At 10:00 AM 5/9/02 -0700, Peter Brueggeman wrote:
: >Michael Fosmire makes some good points, but the issue isn't whether DOI is
: >understandable. It is common human experience that what is understandable to
: >some, won't be understandable to others. The issue to my mind is whether a
: >user-friendly, simpler citation scheme can co-exist with the DOI. We all
: know
: >that for at least a century people cite publications incorrectly, using
: just a
: >volume number, issue number, and begining and ending pages. It seems so
: simple,
: >yet how many times have you dealt with erroneous citations? Therefore
: replacing
: >that already imperfect scheme with a longer DOI citation format involving
: more
: >numbers will be problematic. The longer the citation format, the more
: >opportunity you give someone to get it wrong. I don't see how that
: changes with
: >online ejournals; correct me if I am wrong. A solution would be to replace
: >sequential pagination (which people mess up as we all know) with an even
: simpler
: >article numbering scheme as Henry Hagedorn suggested, in order to keep it
: >simple. I can reach his ejournal's online article on the Web simply with
: >" insectscience.org/2.7 " as the URL.
: >
: >
: >Dunkov, B.C., Georgieva, T., Yoshiga, T., Hall, M., Law, J.H. 2002.
: >Aedes aegypti ferritin heavy chain homologue: feeding of iron or
: >blood influences message levels, lengths and subunit abundance. 10
: >pp. Journal of Insect Science, 2.7. Available online:
: >insectscience.org/2.7
: >
: >
: >=============================================================
: >Peter Brueggeman, Director, Scripps Institution of Oceanography Library
: >UCSD, 9500 Gilman Dr, Dept 0219, San Diego CA 92093-0219 USA
: >pbrueggeman@ucsd.edu Tel 858/534-1230 Fax 858/534-5269
: >
: >
: >----- Original Message -----
: >From: "Judy Holoviak" <JHoloviak@agu.org>
: >To: <asli@www.lib.noaa.gov>
: >Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 8:29 AM
: >Subject: <asli> another view on AGU's position on DOI
: >
: >
: >: The following appeared on a listserve of the Science and
: >: Technology Section of the Association of College and Research
: >: Libraries. Michael Fosmire has given me permission to post it to
: >: other lists.
: >:
: >: The AGU Publications Committee has carefully considered the
: >: points raised and the chair is in the process of preparing a
: >: response.
: >:
: >: Judy Holoviak
: >: Deputy Executive Director and
: >: Director of Publications
: >: AGU
: >:
: >: >
: >: > Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 19:04:22 -0500 (US Eastern Standard Time)
: >: > From: Michael Fosmire <fosmire@purdue.edu>
: >: >
: >: > There are many issues on which AGU and I disagree on their ejournal
: >: > implementation. However, using DOI's is not one of them. One publisher
: >: > that has implemented the DOI in a format similar to AGU is the American
: >: > Physical Society--which has consistently been a leader in the development
: >: > of electronic publishing.
: >: >
: >: > The DOI does have a logical format, and once you see it, it shouldn't
: >: > be horribly difficult to reproduce. For example, APS has this as a
: sample
: >: > DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevC.65.041001. The first number is the publisher
: >: > identifier, the second is the journal title, the third is the volume
: >: > number, and the last one is, first the issue number, then the article
: >: > number. It isn't much different than a volume, page number citation
: style
: >: > once you break it down. AGU's DOI doesn't look much different, with
: their
: >: > publisher number, a year-indicator, a two-letter journal abbreviation,
: and
: >: > then an article number. It doesn't seem that misquoting an article
: number
: >: > is that much more difficult than misquoting some page numbers (certainly
: >: > that's the biggest error I see in citation checking)--and with the DOI
: the
: >: > publisher can automatically check for those errors more easily than
: with a
: >: > non-DOI citation. Physicists have been citing arXive preprints
: >: > for several years without too much trouble, and I think authors are
: >: > flexible enough to adapt to new citation styles.
: >: >
: >: > AGU is actually ahead of the curve in this respect, and I imagine
: other
: >: > publishers will follow suit in the coming years. You have to think in
: the
: >: > new paradigm of an e-first document. Animations and data sets have no
: >: > reality as a page number. Furthermore, since web publishing allows the
: >: > end user some flexibility in how they recieve the data, page length can
: >: > differ from one user to another...not to mention different formats (for
: >: > example, HMTL vs. PDF versions of an article can yield different article
: >: > lengths). What is meant by a page number thus becomes increasingly
: >: > meaningless.
: >: >
: >: > Also, I see a change in how citations are being done. With a DOI you
: >: > can drag and drop citations from the source paper into the paper you are
: >: > writing, so errors don't accrue since there is no manual transcription of
: >: > citation data. Publishers also can more easily link a DOI than a
: citation
: >: > based on the paper page numbers--faster, more automated link creation, so
: >: > we can surf from the paper to its references (and indeed to future
: >: > articles that cite the paper). Instead of having the editors or a
: >: > computer program try and translate a paper number-based citation into its
: >: > DOI equivalent, it would certainly be easier if the DOI was given to
: begin
: >: > with.
: >: >
: >: > As librarians complain that publishers keep raising prices, we
: should be
: >: > applauding those publishers that are attempting to streamline the editing
: >: > process--the dollars saved are those that don't come out of our pockets.
: >: > Faster, cheaper, increased functionality comes without that much added
: >: > cognitive overhead for the authors.
: >: >
: >: > Rather than excoriate AGU for moving to the DOI, they should be
: >: > applauded for their foresight and willingness to follow the trail broken
: >: > by APS (in 1999 or thereabouts as near as I can remember). There will be
: >: > some growing pains as we transition to a new citation style (and authors,
: >: > indexers, and librarians will feel it), but, once it does become the
: >: > dominant citation pattern, the old page number citation will seem as
: >: > strange as the DOI does now.
: >: >
: >: > Anyway, just some opinions on the matter.
: >: >
: >: > -M.
: >: >
: >: > Michael Fosmire
: >: > Science Librarian
: >: > 1530 Physics Building
: >: > Purdue University
: >: > West Lafayette, IN 47907-1530
: >: > Phone: 765-494-2859
: >: > Fax: 765-494-0706
: >: > fosmire@purdue.edu
: >
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