Geoff Forbes has added some maps
to the package.
None of us - except Julie, because
Stanford's fiscal year is different
from the UC fiscal year - has funds
at this time, and I'll explain that
to Geoff.
We're estimating probably mid-August
before we can spend out of our
collections budget.
Please let me know when you estimate
you'll have fund. And probably - again,
if you're like me - you won't know
what you can contribute to this shared
purchase until after you have
funds available. Correct?
I'm fine with this campus handle
the shared purchase, and do recharge
to campuses involved.
Each campus will get a copy of
all of the dig files if you want them -
if not, we'll provide when your
users need; we'll figure
out when we get there how your
library prefers to receive files
(?download from ftp site? removable
hard drive? etc.)
mary
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:21:16 -0500
From: Geoff Forbes <gforbes@landinfo.com>
To: 'Mary Larsgaard' <mary@library.ucsb.edu>
Subject: RE: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k,
25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps - UC map libs interested
Hi, Mary--
That IS great news! Here's the revised summary of deliverables & pricing,
assuming 5+ libraries purchase this bundle more or less simultaneously
(please refer to indexes sent previously):
DIGITAL MAPS IN ORIGINAL OFFER:
1:100,000 scale: 138 maps. Mostly Sichuan; also Qinghai, Gansu & Tibet
(this includes 12 Tibet maps that did not come with the set that you already
bought)
1:50,000 scale: 129 maps. Mostly Yunnan; also Sichuan, Hubei, Shaanxi &
Tibet (see second index for clear view of this coverage; and 3rd map for
TIBET detail)
1:25,000 scale: 10 maps. Tibet (over Mt. Everest/Chomolungma; see 4th
.pdf index for detail)
1:10,000 scale: 46 maps. Chengdu city (see last index for detail--by the
way, the area where two maps are missing is completely covered by the 50k
mapping above)
NEWLY ADDED MAPS:
1:50,000 scale: 28 maps (incl. 4 that cover BEIJING): G-47-137-1,2,3,4;
H-48-109-1,2,3,4; 121-1,2,3,4; 133-1,2,3,4; G-48-1-1,2,3,4; 13-1,2,3,4;
K-50-137-3, 137-4; J-50-5-1; J-50-5-2 (a few of these maps have some
imperfections, such as evidence of tears in the originals, but still
represent highly scarce mapping and important coverage, such as the capital
city)
TOTAL: 351 national maps of China & Tibet:
1 set of Full (uncropped) Tiff files (scans)
1 set of cropped georeferenced files (300 or 400 dpi/8-bit color GeoTiff)
Price:
351 Digital maps x $29.95 = $10,512 minus 20% group discount = $8410
+ cost of hard drive: $179
+ cost of shipping
Please let me know the names of the participating libraries and I will
following up with them directly in order to get their PO numbers, etc.
whenever you give me the go-ahead.
Thanks again for everything!
Warm regards,
Geoff
-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Larsgaard [mailto:mary@library.ucsb.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:54 AM
To: Geoff Forbes
Cc: sweetkind@stanford.edu; jingalls@stanford.edu; Mary Larsgaard
Subject: Re: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps - UC
map libs interested
Geoff, it was pretty much everyone,
much to my pleased surprise,
even UCIrvine which has a small
map collection but a very large emphasis
on digital.
I suggest you send me (and Julie)
pricing info and I shall send out
to the UC map libns.
Mary
Geoff Forbes wrote:
> Hi, Mary--
>
> Julie is wondering whether you've heard from any more libraries regarding
> their interest in getting in on the China national topo map deal (OK--I'm
> wondering, too) :-)
>
> Please note that we have located 28 more 50k topos to this bundle,
including
> coverage of Beijing (details below). These will also cost $29.95 per map,
> minus the 10-20% discount.
>
> When I get final word from you, I will follow up with all those who have
> expressed interest, and will give an update regarding the total quantity
and
> price.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Geoff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julie Sweetkind-Singer [mailto:sweetkind@stanford.edu]
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:06 PM
> To: Geoff Forbes
> Cc: jingalls@stanford.edu
> Subject: Re: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps
>
> Geoff,
>
> Yes. Have you heard from Mary about how many people are in on the
> deal? I want to make sure to get the money paid or encumbered before
> the end of the year.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie
>
> Geoff Forbes wrote:
>
>> Hi, Julie--
>>
>> I have good news--we have located 28 more paper 50k Chinese national topo
>> maps. Please note that these maps are physically cropped/collarless, and
>> the condition of some of them is not as good as that of the others,
>> previously described. But they represent a great value in that we are
not
>> charging particularly high prices for them, and they are unique
(extremely
>> scarce), and they represent interesting areas (e.g., Beijing). Details
>>
> are
>
>> as follows:
>>
>> G-47-137- 1,2,3,4 (4 maps). Good Condition.
>> H-48- 109-1,2,3,4; 121-1,2,3,4; 133-1,2,3,4 and G-48- 1-1,2,3,4;
>>
> 13-1,2,3,4
>
>> (20 maps). OK condition. Tears on 3 of 20 maps.
>> K-50-137-3, K-50-137-4, J-50-5-1 and J-50-5-2 (4 maps covering Beijing)
>>
> bad
>
>> condition with tears. Poor condition.
>>
>> Price is the same as the other Chinese maps:
>>
>> 28 Digital maps x $29.95 (minus discount)
>> 28 Paper maps x $12.95 (minus discount)
>>
>> The paper maps are only available for purchase along with the digital
>> versions. These will all qualify for whatever addition discount (10-20%)
>> you qualify for based on the total number of participating libraries.
>>
> Would
>
>> you like to add them to your order?
>>
>> Thanks & Best regards,
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julie Sweetkind-Singer [mailto:sweetkind@stanford.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:57 AM
>> To: Geoff Forbes
>> Cc: jingalls@stanford.edu
>> Subject: RE: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps
>>
>> Geoff,
>>
>> Ok, let's agree to this. I definitely commit to buying the paper
>> maps. The price we will pay for the digital will depend on how many
>> UC/SU libraries join and that will be decided shortly. SU will pay
>> you directly, whatever the price will be. I may have to pay you
>> across two fiscal years. Our fiscal year ends Aug. 31st.
>>
>> Do you agree to all of this?
>>
>> Julie
>>
>> Quoting Geoff Forbes <gforbes@landinfo.com>:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi, Julie!
>>>
>>> Thanks for your quick reply :-) Yes, you will get in on the cost
>>>
>>>
>> savings,
>>
>>
>>> whatever that ends up being. As it stands, it will be 10%; but it could
>>>
>>>
>> be
>>
>>
>>> as high as 20%. There are no copyright concerns; but we do stipulate
>>>
> that
>
>>> the maps cannot be placed on the Internet. Thumbnails can be posted,
>>> however. As for paper, yes, we have only one set. But if you stake
your
>>> claim for them now, I'll consider them sold (first come, first serve,
>>> right?). You can pay directly without worrying about doing any trype of
>>> transfer through the UC libraries. Please confirm the above.
>>>
>>> Thanks again!
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Julie Sweetkind-Singer [mailto:sweetkind@stanford.edu]
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 12:32 PM
>>> To: Geoff Forbes
>>> Subject: Re: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps
>>>
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>>
>>> It looks like Mary is coordinating this purchase. We typically will
>>> throw our hat in the ring with the UCs on something like this. I'm
>>> not sure if you would allow that to happen, meaning if 3,4,5 UCs and
>>> SU were going to purchase if the price would come down and SU could be
>>> involved in that cost savings. What do you think? Also, I believe
>>> Mary is negotiating access rights as well. I know there are a few
>>> libraries interested. It's my understanding that you have 1 copy of
>>> the paper maps. Is that right? I don't know how we'd work that on
>>> our end as I think UCB, UCLA, and SU are all interested in those.
>>> We'd work that out amongst ourselves.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Julie
>>>
>>> Quoting Geoff Forbes <gforbes@landinfo.com>:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi, Julie--
>>>>
>>>> Mary Larsgaard said you may be interested in purchasing the following:
>>>>
>>>> CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps
>>>>
>>>> 323 Digital maps x $29.95 = $9,674
>>>> 182 Paper maps x $12.95 = $2,357 (as part of total package only)
>>>> + cost of hard drive: $179
>>>> + cost of shipping
>>>>
>>>> If you commit by June 30 to order you buy the above digital + paper
>>>>
>>>>
>> option
>>
>>
>>>> by Sept 30, you will save 10% (since Mary is also buying the digital
>>>> version), and your total will be as follows:
>>>>
>>>> $12,031 - 10% = $10,828 + hard drive ($179) + shipping
>>>>
>>>> I take it you have all of the indexes already; if not, please let me
>>>>
> know
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> &
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'll email them to you.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know what you think. I'm happy to answer any and all
>>>> questions!
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mary Larsgaard [mailto:mary@library.ucsb.edu]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 11:14 AM
>>>> To: Geoff Forbes
>>>> Cc: Mary Larsgaard
>>>> Subject: Re: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps
-
>>>> purchase by UC map libraries; request for you to email the map libn at
>>>> Stanford
>>>>
>>>> Hi, Geoff :-)
>>>>
>>>> It sounds to me as if maybe
>>>> the Stanford map library (but not
>>>> UCLA, or at least not so far)
>>>> may be interested in a separate
>>>> purchase; I suggest you email
>>>> her and make arrangements -
>>>> she tells me her fiscal year
>>>> ends Aug 31 (which she'd told
>>>> me before and I'd forgotten), and
>>>> she's probably going to want to
>>>> spread payment out over 2 fiscal years.
>>>> Am reasonably
>>>> sure your firm has dealt often
>>>> with Julie Sweetkind-Singer
>>>> in the past but just in case not,
>>>> here's her email:
>>>> sweetkind@stanford.edu
>>>> If Julie does decide to order
>>>> her own separate copy (and
>>>> it's fine if paper maps go to her),
>>>> then probably the discount
>>>> for 2 sets of digital applies only
>>>> if you get one order from a UC library?
>>>> and then Julie can pay you separately,
>>>> instead of having a funds transfer from
>>>> Stanford to a UC library?
>>>>
>>>> Ok, it is definite that we're on
>>>> for this for next fiscal year.
>>>> The UC map libraries can
>>>> arrange recharges - that is,
>>>> one UC library orders (probably
>>>> us or UCLA) and then the other
>>>> UC libraries are recharged for
>>>> whatever amount they signed up for.
>>>>
>>>> I can create an order number
>>>> for you now. Or I can do that
>>>> after July 1. We're in no especial
>>>> rush for these as far as I know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for all your work on this.
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geoff Forbes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, that would be OK :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mary Larsgaard [mailto:mary@library.ucsb.edu]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 4:25 PM
>>>>> To: Geoff Forbes
>>>>> Cc: Mary Larsgaard
>>>>> Subject: Re: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps
>>>>>
> -
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> how
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> about thumbnail images?
>>>>>
>>>>> would it be ok to have thumbnail
>>>>> of each map on Web?
>>>>> i'll understand fully if answer
>>>>> is no - just wanted to check.
>>>>> to give users an idea of
>>>>> what a treasure each map is :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> mary
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary Larsgaard wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>> RE: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic maps
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> "Geoff Forbes" <gforbes@landinfo.com>
>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>> Tue, 3 Jun 2008 14:16:29 -0500
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> "'Mary Larsgaard'" <mary@library.ucsb.edu>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> "'Mary Larsgaard'" <mary@library.ucsb.edu>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Mary,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your reply. Since you're so easy to work with, I'll do my
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> best
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> to return the favor :-) Here you go:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) I would estimate delivery for all of these maps (paper and
>>>>>>
> digital)
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> all of you in about 12 weeks unless you need them faster
>>>>>> 2) We can bill before or after any particular date(s) that you
>>>>>>
> request
>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> order to accommodate your fiscal budgets
>>>>>> 3) There is only one set of paper maps in this case
>>>>>> 4) If 2 libraries buy these maps at the same time (1 library would
>>>>>>
> get
>
>>>>>> paper + digital, and the other would get digital only), I will offer
a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> 10%
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> discount off of everything to both libraries
>>>>>> 5) If 3-4 libraries buy at the same time, the discount off
everything
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> will
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> be 15%
>>>>>> 6) If 5+ libraries buy at the same time, there will be a 20%
discount
>>>>>> 7) LI is not claiming any copyright, but we stipulate that the maps
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> cannot
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> be placed on the Internet
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In order to get the digitization process started, I just need at
least
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> one
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> PO number :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Mary Larsgaard [mailto:mary@library.ucsb.edu]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:33 PM
>>>>>> To: Geoff Forbes
>>>>>> Cc: 'Mary Larsgaard'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: CHINA & TIBET 100k, 50k, 25k & 10k nat'l topographic
maps
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Geoff,
>>>>>> Yes, several of the UC libraries are interested in buying
>>>>>> this set.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First a few questions, and then some comments:
>>>>>> 1. what is LandInfo's delivery date (e.g., how
>>>>>> long after firm order is placed do you put items in mail) for:
>>>>>> - digital files?
>>>>>> - paper maps?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. There seems to be a good possibility
>>>>>> that more than 1 library will be interested
>>>>>> in buying the set; I get the feeling Stanford
>>>>>> and *maybe* UCLA may each want to buy the
>>>>>> entire set, leaving Us Poorer Folks to put money
>>>>>> in a pot for 1 set.
>>>>>> - would there be a possibility of buying 2 sets
>>>>>> of the paper maps? (I'll bet you're laughing :-) )
>>>>>> And if we order more than 1 set of paper maps
>>>>>> on same order, do we get a price break?
>>>>>> - same question: if we order more than 1 set
>>>>>> of digital files on same order, do we get
>>>>>> a price break?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. is LandInfo doing what it has done in the
>>>>>> past and not copyrighting the scans?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Comments:
>>>>>> None of us knows what our materials budget
>>>>>> will be next year, or quite when we'll be able
>>>>>> actually to spend; last year for my library it was
>>>>>> around August 1, instead of the usual July 15.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems to me there were a couple
>>>>>> more comments I wanted to make but can't
>>>>>> find them in any of my emails.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What other information do you need from me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Geoff Forbes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Mary,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have assembled what I think you will agree is a very interesting
>>>>>>> assortment of very scarce (classified!) large-scale Chinese military
>>>>>>> topographic maps of Tibet and other nearby regions (please see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> attached
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> .pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> index that depicts ALL of the maps):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1:100,000 scale: 138 maps. Mostly Sichuan; also Qinghai, Gansu &
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Tibet
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> (this includes 12 Tibet maps that did not come with the set that you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> already
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bought)
>>>>>>> 1:50,000 scale: 129 maps. Mostly Yunnan; also Sichuan, Hubei,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> Shaanxi
>>>
>>>
>>>>> &
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tibet (see second index for clear view of this coverage; and 3rd map
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> for
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> TIBET detail)
>>>>>>> 1:25,000 scale: 10 maps. Tibet (over Mt. Everest/Chomolungma;
see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> 4th
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> .pdf index for detail)
>>>>>>> 1:10,000 scale: 46 maps. Chengdu city (see last index for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> detail--by
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> way, the area where two maps are missing is completely covered by
the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> 50k
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> mapping above)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We would normally sell these for $149 each individually or $69 per
>>>>>>>
> map
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> package deal; but in light of your continued large volume of
business
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> us, I will offer them to you at a highly discounted rate:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 323 national maps of China & Tibet:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1 set of Full (uncropped) Tiff files (scans)
>>>>>>> 1 set of cropped georeferenced files (300 or 400 dpi/8-bit color
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> GeoTiff)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus: PAPER lithos: 92 of the above 50k topos and 90 of the above
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> 100k
>>
>>
>>>>>>> topos = 182 paper maps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Price:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 323 Digital maps x $29.95 = $9,674
>>>>>>> 182 Paper maps x $12.95 = $2,357 (as part of total package only)
>>>>>>> + cost of hard drive: $179
>>>>>>> + cost of shipping
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if you are interested. If you confirm that you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> will
>>
>>
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> placing an order for the above, I will reserve it for you until your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>> new
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> fiscal year funds become available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Geoffrey A. Forbes, M.S.
>>>>>>> Director of Sales
>>>>>>> LAND INFO Worldwide Mapping LLC
>>>>>>> Tel: +1.763.428.4129
>>>>>>> Fax: +1.303.790.9734
>>>>>>> E-mail: gforbes@landinfo.com
>>>>>>> Web site: www.landinfo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Mary Lynette Larsgaard
>>>> Director, Map Library
>>>> Assistant Head, Map and Imagery Laboratory
>>>> Davidson Library
>>>> University of California, Santa Barbara
>>>> Santa Barbara CA 93106-9010
>>>> USA
>>>> mary@library.ucsb.edu
>>>> http://www.sdc.ucsb.edu
>>>> voice: 805/893-4049; 2779, reference desk
>>>> fax: 805/893-8799
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Julie Sweetkind-Singer
>>> Head Librarian, GIS & Map Librarian
>>> Branner Earth Sciences Library & Map Collections
>>> Stanford University
>>> 650-725-1102
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Julie Sweetkind-Singer
>> Head Librarian, GIS & Map Librarian
>> Branner Earth Sciences Library & Map Collections
>> Stanford University
>> 650-725-1102
>>
>>
>>
>
>
-- Mary Lynette Larsgaard Director, Map Library Assistant Head, Map and Imagery Laboratory Davidson Library University of California, Santa Barbara Santa Barbara CA 93106-9010 USA mary@library.ucsb.edu http://www.sdc.ucsb.edu voice: 805/893-4049; 2779, reference desk fax: 805/893-8799
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